Where to get BULLFROG SNOT It's on amazon.com, and I try to keep four active listings on the auction site in both the N and HO sections http://cgi.ebay.com/Easy-Traction-T...14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318 www.bullfrogsnot.com will be active soon (I have to flog my web people into action) and at your LHS and on-line suppliers and they catch on. It generally survives winter transit well, packaging provides some insulation. The freezing point is lower than 32 deg, but these weren't Tundra Toads, they're Mojave Machos. Bill
Here's hoping my sample survives the USPS delivery here in N. PA. It's supposed to get COLD tonight. I'll check the mailbox at regular intervals!
Berk? Berk? Yup. That was one of my test engines. Pulled great. Made a shorter drawbar. Add some weight to the pilot truck so it tracks better. Bill
Says a bunch about the dissatisfaction of too many locos being manufactured , and as such this thread has gotten its traction .
I just now started reading this, and have yet to read the thread all the way through. But, for now, here is my comment on what I have read so far. 1st. Welcome to the board. 2nd. Thanks for tossing out there, what could be an awesome product for the hobby. The slipping with light N scale locomotives have plauged the hobby since it's begining. 3rd. Cost? This I am not sure on. Sure, you can take a $200 weak pulling loco and make it a great puller, which is a good thing. But, personally, I still would have a hard time turning loose that much for a new product, that odds are, I would love, but, like also mentioned, a few uses and it dry up on me before I felt I got my money's worth, would tend to irritate me. If the chemicals, time and effort, research and development actually warrants the price, then, ok, maybe I can see it in the begining, but as those costs come down as the product matures, the price should also reflect that. Not saying it is the wrong price point, but, you have to think about the phycology of the people that would, or would not purchase it, for whatever reason. I, myself are on a fixed income, and retired, and watch my pennies closely. But on the other hand, have waisted MUCH more than your price on things that did, and did not work, lol.. Also like said, I think you might do better cutting the amount in half, and the price in half and go for quanity sales. It would attract skeptics better, and you would most likely double sales, and end up with the same profit margine. Just food for thought. Another thing to think about as far as skeptics go. How many hobbiest, or collectors out there is willing to apply something new and not tested in the field other than your own tests, or at least feedback from unbiased field testers, on their $200-$500 equipment? That said, I would with the right product. And yours does seem any damage from it would be nill, with the exception of a sloppy application, or course that would be the fault of the hobbiest, and not your liability. To sum up. I think if this works as you say it does, it is a good thing for our hobby, and you will do very well with it. I really hope you do, and that is the case. You do deserve to be compensated for a break through product that addresses a 30 year old problem. Conrats, and I am on the fence with a purchase, but will watch deligently with high hopes for the product, and your success with it. The last thing I would like to say is. I LOVE the name of the product, and yes, as far as marketing, it is an awesome marketing name. It does raise eyebrows and brings attention to your product, and that is never a bad thing.. lol..
Berk performance. I ran my Berk on my flat sections - have wider curves there, and it was pulling 35 hoppers easy. Sold it on eBay, it didn't fit my scheme. Yes, how many engines were disapointments? Berks, Mallets, Mountains, Brass, 4-4-0s, N&W J's, a Con-Cor "collectors set" with a LV streamlined Hudson that pitched it's tire every lap. I don't have a GS-4, but have read the 'tiring' stories about them. New Atlas C-630's (sold them too), I need three to pull as well as an MT FT set on grades. I don't know how many engines I've disassembled to try to improve pick-up, traction, wobbles. My junk collection is large. What BULLFROG SNOT does justifies the price. Really? Well, I know there are doubters, which is why I set aside sample stock - freebies. I even pay the freight (in the USA). Please try it, test it, report the results, compare notes. You get a perfect traction tire. How it applies is up to you. And you've got plenty to experiment with, at no harm to your precious locos. $24.95? Costs that much to take my Grandson to a movie, with one bag of lousy popcorn. Bill
Or anywhere else, for that matter. I'm surprised to see how little attention it is being given on the other boards...
To rdgnut, A public thank-you with a personal touch. I recieved the sample and me thinks I need to compensate or reimburse. To all tuned in: Following the directions we can find here on TB., I tried Bull Frog Snot on one of my very early 0-4-0 Bachmann locomotives, the "Yard Boss". I was amazed at the results. I let the product sit and cure overnight. The next morning I hitched up three cars (typical of this locomotives ability) and the loco pulled them with out mishap up my 2% grades. I did notice a little loping because I failed to see a bubble that hardened into a misshaped tire. A scalpel solved the problem. I then tried adding one freight car at a time. until I was up to six cars in tow (the old Bachmann types). The little guy begin to balk and then stall. I believe, it has more to do with the weight of the locomotive then the tires. More news later. If this product will improve a small yard goat... 100% then what will it do for a larger locomotive? Christmas and it's associated activities Ie., Live Bearded Santa, Choir Boy and Sound Techy has this soul in busy mode. I will get back to this post after Christmas, with what appears to be more good news. I don't know how it could be otherwise. Today, "Tired" is an appropriate adjective here. From this Santa to all the other Santa's (guys and gals) who are out there doing what they can to bring a little Christmas Joy. I wish you the best ever. To all of you, your families and friends I wish for you a Very, Merry Christmas! Now to get antlers put on my cats and hitch them to my sleigh. Do you think that will work. Yeeeooowww! Hey, Santa what's up with the funny reindeer and the new scratch pattern on your outfit?
Maybe it's cause everyone knows TB is the place to go to get up to date and pertinent Model RR news and tips on the web ...:tb-wink: .
Another update: I have run my 0-6-0 for 17 hours and no change. The Snot has the durability I am seeking. After letting the traction wheel dry for 24hrs on my GS4, I did a test while it was upside down and everything seemed beautiful. When I put it on my 4x8 track it did not quite make one loop before the traction came off the shaft again. There is only about 1/16" or less shaft that fits into the traction wheel. The high strength locktite did not work. I really need a new set of traction wheels before I can proceed. Or I could send it off to Kato which I really don't want to do.
Mr. Cowie and others- I made an unfair statement about 19 pages. IIRC, there might be a combined thirty or so pages dealing with the original MP Pacifics and Mikados, re: pulling ability, turn and grade issues, antiquated pick up, taking apart, putting back together, DCC installation with tutorials, MP service, MP traction tire installation, front coupler and rear coupler replacements, Korean manufacturer delays, shipping container delays and last but certainly NOT least, how nice the people at MP are at Farmingdale, NY, especially Mike.
But is that one single thread? This might still be a record in that context. It certainly does show that improved pulling power is desired by the masses. All the feedback from the testers seems positive so far, I might look into ordering a jar after Christmas despite the current state of the Aussie dollar.
I was just checking out a certain auction site and saw Bullfrog Snot listed so thought what the heck, I will get some. It is relatively cheap by comparison to the cost of all the engines I have but hardly ever run because they won't pull a realistic looking load. Using it in the southern hemisphere, will I have to spin the wheels in the opposite direction during application?:tb-wacky:
