We did ship some to Australia today. I state $14 for shipping but the post office wants $22. Yeah, $22.00! For total weight of 5 ounces. Have to update the listings In the southern hemi, just hold the toothpick in the opposite hand.
Snow Day... ...Inside most of this afternoon. 1) Ran the 'snotted' Locomotive most of the day. Have about 48 hours total running time on the 'Snot'...still dont see much wear. 2) I have been opening the jar of 'Snot' every other day since I got it. I let it stand opened for a minute or two...just about the time it would take to 'snot' wheels. 7 days so far and no 'film' on top or hardening otherwise of the snot still in the jar. Just trying to do an unscientific test to see if opening and closing (ex. mutiple usages) will have any adverse effect on whats left in the jar. :tb-cool: .
Hi all, I ordered mine on the 11th of December via that auction site before the feedback started and also before I knew about the samples. I looked at the product, what Bill had to say about it and seemed like a good idea so went ahead and purchased it in good faith. I'm still waiting for the snail mail to get it here to the UK so I can test it out and report back. However, from what I have been reading I'm not going to be disappointed. Seems that so far we have heard back from people testing it on Steamers, well my intention is to try it out on some diesels as well, specifically my Atlas VO1000's. Since I have a few of these I'll be able to do a comparison. Now, as for the price. I personally think that it is quite reasonable. If I get 10 loco's done, based on the sucessful feedback it looks like I will, then that's only $2.50/loco which in my book is very reasonable whether I use the whole jar or not. Especially when you consider a tank of gas costs me nearly $90US. Watch this space be back as soon as testing starts. Cheers, Alan.
Alan... That little jar will last a lifetime !! It only takes a drop per wheel. Also... I 'snot' diesels. I dont run steam. "Snot" works great on diesels too! JMO. .
I'm also thinking of VO1000's so I'll be interested in how you go if you get yours first. Spreading the cost of the snot over the number of locos you use it on puts the price in a better perspective. I'm glad I don't live where you do though, the price of gas has gone down in this neck of the woods in the last few weeks, I'm paying around $25US to fill up my Honda CRV at the moment, about 40p/litre in your money. And we still complain about the high price! rdgnut: I put in my order on Ebay before I saw your post about the increased shipping, if you need the extra $8 I'm happy to pay it.
What a perfect response! ROTFLMAO! Thanks for making my day! You've had a wonderful sense of humor throughout this thread. Where did you find that response? I can't stop laughing!
Testing Recieved snot late last week and made first test run today. Engine: Life-like 2-8-8-2 first generation, Lenz decoder, hard wired tender, no additional weight added. Mixed freight consist, 80% microtrains, 20% accumate trucks/couplers. Peco code 55 track, level track, multiple curves (14" and 15" radii). Original pulling ability: 23 cars. After one set of drivers snotted (rear most wheels on second set of drivers) and 2 days drying time, pulling ability 34 cars (approx. 47% increase). This results in a train over 10' long! First application somewhat problematic due to user inexperience . Can still see light greenish tint when viewing drivers straight on from above (with locomotive inverted), but invisible when viewing during operation. Althought I thought the application was a little more haphazard than what I desired, there was no driver lifting or wobbling of the locomotive during operation. Stalling occurrs in middle of a curve with train stretching back over 2 additional curves. Second application just made. This time to rear most wheels on first set of drivers. Application went much better this time. Will test after Christmas. Will have to watch engine load as it was getting pretty warm after several laps around the layout. Bill, thank you very much for the sample! I am really encouraged by what I've seen so far. NCDaveD
I'm thinking a 50% to 100% increase in pulling power...which some of us have witnessed first hand...will make most modelers pretty damn happy! Add to that the ease (nothing to take apart) of application/removal/reapplication when necessary and we can all do the "Mepos dance of joy."...JMO .
My jar of myrrh, er uh, BFS arrived in today's mail. Thanks rdgnut! I should have a chance to apply it to one set of drivers on my Bachmann 2-6-6-2 tonight and let it cure while visions of sugar plums and long strings of hoppers dance in my head. Tomorrow we'll see how it performs. I've also got two beautiful Atlas GP7's with DCC that will receive the treatment next. With the Aztec milled frames their marginal pulling power was further compromised so I always have had to MU them to use them on my layout. I'll try applying it both left handed and right handed in the interest of science. Anticipation....anticipay yay shun.....
I just can't take it anymore !! "Bullfrog Snot" it's everywhere. Bullfrog Snot will never go away. I have no choice but give in and order a jar today. Before I get Snotted to death. Is it here yet? Has it arrived in the mail? Where oh Where is my "Bullfrog Snot?" Will my little saddle tank now pull a 30 car train? Will it? Oh I hope it will. See ya Ron
Well, I received my jar of BULLFROG SNOT thanks Bill. Applied it this afternoon to my VO1000 and this evening I did some testing. Non scientific and using some random 40' Microtrains cars out of the box. I applied BULLFROG SNOT to two wheels on the same axle after giving all the wheels a clean. I tested on flat track with curves, didn't have a long enough straight section to test properly. I also tested on a 2.5% curving grade as well. So I guess you'd like to know the results. On the flat the unmodified VO1000 pulled 19 cars without stalling whereas the modified one pulled 25 cars. On the grade the unmodified one pulled 11 cars and the modified one pulled 16. Not bad, not bad at all. Actually when you look at it in percentage terms it's not just "not bad" it's awesome, woops almost swore there. The percentage increase in cars on the flat was approx. 31% and on the grade was approx. 45% Application was fairly straight forward and I remembered the don't use to much advise. Therefore on the first axel I used to litttle and also found I had the wheel spinning a bit to slow but was able to build it up though. On the second wheel it went on perfectly. It is way more of an increase in pulling power than I expected. Will also add it to my RS1's, and GP7's should make a big difference to all of them. Won't be doing my old Kato F7's or the MT FT's as they already pull well. For the cost per loco works out cheep and of course the more you have and the more you do the cheeper it becomes. Decent sized trains up the grade here we come. Very happy and highly recommended. Cheers, Alan.
Warning label? Gosh. I suppose I should start drafting a warning label. Dang stuff has strange side effects.
O.K. I couldn't wait until tomorrow With the Bachmann 2-6-6-2 upside down on a sponge and the wheels slowly spinning, I applied BFS to both wheels of the last axle of the front and back sets of driving wheels (four wheels total). There's definitely a bit of a learning curve to getting enough on without having it be too much. I can see how easy it would be to use too much and gum up the wheels/brake shoes. I used just a small drop on the end of a toothpick to start. I actually didn't get enough on the first wheel I tried, and had to do a second pass. You definitely don't need much, but I was leary of putting too much on, so erred on the "too little" side of things. However, I was eventually able to get it to spread all the way around the wheel. The next wheel I got a thin line 360 degrees around it on the first pass. The third wheel I got it 360 degrees AND wider. The fourth wheel I did the best, as it covered the "tire" surface and was my smoothest application. I waited for the BFS to "cure" for three hours and then hooked up the engine to some empty hoppers. Before BFS (in future referred to as BBFS) the engine would pull 9 empty 55 ton hoppers and a caboose up my curving 3% grades. These cars all have low profile metal wheels for my Atlas code 55 track.It looked kind of rediculous hauling such a meager train. As a result it had been relegated to NTrak, 0% grade use. After BFS (or ABFS) it pulled the 9 hoppers easily so I just started adding more. By the time I got to 19 empty hoppers plus a caboose it started to slip, but just a tad on my steepest curving section--19 hoppers--that's an AMAZING 111% improvement! Needless to say I'm delighted. My "NTrak queen" now can pull reasonable length trains on the grades of my home layout for the first time. There is no problem with stalling through any of my turnouts, probably because I still have four sets of driving wheels plus the tender getting electrical pickup. I'm going to do some more work with this engine tomorrow to see if I can get the first wheel smoother (there's a bit of rocking currrently, due I suspect to the uneveness of my first efforts). Regardless I'm absolutely delighted with the results so far. The BFS has absolutely transformed this engine. I confess I was a bit skeptical at first, but I'm rapidly becoming an enthusiastic endorser! Tomorrow we'll see how the GP7's fare.
My 2-6-6-2 lumbers along at drag speed with 55 hoppers on the flat. On pulse DC. It's using BULLFROG SNOT of course. I was just looking at the B-mann aux canteen. Nice 6 wheel conducting trucks for what, a light? Pulled them off an hung 'em under the 2-6-6-2's tender, and hard-wired 'em together (don't trust those wipers). Looks cool, like something my fictional shop might do. The canteen got some Kadee passenger car trucks, rolls easier now. Now I've got a pair of side conducting trucks to try on the MP 4-4-0 to replace the 35 year old technology it came with. Bill
Second Test OK, I couldn't wait either . Evidently I put too much on one driver as it lifted the wheel and the engine went bumpity-bump down the track. A deft application of a sharp X-acto blade removed the excess. A total of 14 additional cars were added before slippage was noted. This makes for a total of 25 cars over the original 23 (a 108% increase). Why were more cars added the second time? I believe it was because of too little being put on the first set of rear drivers due to application inexperience. At this load, the front of the locomotive was getting a little light as the front pilot wheels were trying to pick points (which hasn't happened before) and bouncing ever so slightly over turnouts. The motor also was getting very warm, enough so that I will probably remove the last set of traction tires to make sure my 2-8-8-2 will have a nice long life. I will also probably remove the first ones and reapply BFS now that I am getting better at the application. Bill, Thanks so much for this product. I think the guys in our club are going to like this , I sure know I do. NCDaveD.
To make it conductive you might try adding the droppings from an electric ell.:tb-biggrin::tb-biggrin::tb-biggrin::tb-biggrin: Gary Edit I just sat and read all 22 pages
Conductive raises ugly issues. It changes the consistency, it's not as smooth, won't settle as uniform and thin. It does not want to adhere to the wheels. It changes the grippy-ness. It may have to be a two-part mix because of a tendency to settle and seperate, and a two-part mix introduces too many application error possibilities. Application is more difficult, much more of an art. It may need to be baked to properly cure (want to bake your engines? Yikes!), it can possibly leave conductive residue in places we don't want it, and it's toxic. Other than that, no problem. Just not as easy as you'd think. And yes, some SNOT'd engines want to 'wheelie' when working hard (my 2-6-6-2 does that on curves). We can add a bit of weight to the front ends. I'm doing a number of tuning experiements. All manner of things come up that we hadn't had to deal with because we took factory supplied traction as a fact of N scale life. Bill
From the response, Bill, this is the best thing in N scale since, well, Bullfrog Snot. I'm very happy to hear the test results from real modelers. And I'm very happy that this thread has stayed as light, informative and entertaining as it's been. Congrats to all! It isn't that often that a thread this long has remained a joy to read from start to finish.
