Show Us Your Santa Fe Passenger Equipment

rome91 Jan 27, 2019

  1. r_i_straw

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    Santa Fe upgraded some of their old wood side baggage cars by bolting steel sheathing over the wood.
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  2. BarstowRick

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    David, I have a picture I posted, did the same thing, I went through RailImages. The computer wanted to tell me how to post it. o_O You can find it in my move to Nampa, ID chit chat thread. It can be found in the early post where I talk about the Caldwell Model Railroad Club. I couldn't get that picture to align for anything.:mad:

    George, I know those passenger cars. What you haven't done to them. Mr. Tinker did his job and wowed his wife. They've been partying ever since. Honey I shrunk ourselves. Now wait a minute that may not be a good idea. At this point in our lives we don't need to shrink anything. :p:rolleyes:

    I also sent him a set of really messed up Amtrash hi-level cars. I wouldn't blame the wife or him if they found the bottom side of a trash can. I inherited them and decided George could play with them. Way over weighted with nail gun, headless nails, pasted to the bottom of the cars. Missing working trucks and was a sight. But these, I painted silver in hopes of making an H&P business train. I've always liked the way they turned out. Looks good! Like what you've done, George. ;):)

    Bruce, I know you've done your research but these may be replica's of the first Chief. Thinking the Super Chief came along as an after thought. Due to increased passenger traffic at the end of WWII. Kind of like, a first and second section of the Chief. If that makes any sense? I never heard the Rails of the time refer to the Stream Liner cars as Light Weights. What I did hear, "They are light passenger cars and don't run as nice as the heavyweights." They would hunt and dive much like an old covered wagon or a 60's Mercury. No I'm not kidding.

    We model railroaders what will we think up next? :sick:
    Here's a link that may help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_(train)
    Just so we understand each other I do not accept Wikepedia as being the last word. Myself and others have found errors in the assumptions. :eek:

    Nor is my word final. o_O:rolleyes::oops:

    To all the others, with the HW's and Stream-line sets of Frisco and more. Nothing like having what you want running around your layout. :cool:
     
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  3. r_i_straw

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    Huh? It is well documented that the Super Chief made its first run as a heavyweight train on May 12, 1936 behind the box cab diesels 1A and 1B, better known as Amos and Andy. It was not until May 18, 1937 that the new streamline trainset delivered from Budd made its first run. This touched off the big court case that eventually lead to the breakup of the Pullman company in 1947. Pullman did not want to staff the sleeping cars built by Budd. At the time Santa Fe had to order Pullman sleepers for their second train set to outfit the Super Chief. The brass set of cars shown earlier appear to be models of that second Super Chief trainset which went into service in 1938 with sleepers built by Pullman that they would staff. There is a great article about the Super Chief in the latest issue of the Warbonnet, put out by the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society. It shows all the names on the brass model set in question as belonging to the second Super Chief train.
     
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  4. arbomambo

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    Exactly...
    Lightweight vs heavyweight... standard nomenclature for Stainless steel cars built by Budd, then ACF, PS...
    I couldn’t see the small pic, described as 1930 Super Chief set...
    However, I know that the cars in the photo were silver so I assumed they represented the Budd built cars delivered, on the Super Chief, in 1937...
    The Super Chief didn’t exist in 1930, and the Budd stainless steel lightweight cars certainly didn’t...( the first corrugated stainless steel cars debuted in 1934 on the Pioneer Zephyr)...
    Hence my statement, NOT the 1930 Super Chief ( no such animal)
     
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  5. BarstowRick

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    I knew better then to get into the middle of this but couldn't resist. You and Russell are right on and if you tried the link I provided you'd find some of the same information.

    Interesting on Pullman not servicing Budd passenger cars. I was aware Santa Fe hired their own porter's. I heard family stories of such but never knew why.
     
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  6. DCESharkman

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    Typo 1938 Super Chief
     
  7. BarstowRick

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    I stand corrected. :sick::censored::coffee:

    You won't hear me refer to the Streamliners as Light Weights as I never heard my family of rails refer to them as such. Not that they didn't but I never heard it. o_O
     
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  8. r_i_straw

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    Yeah, there are a lot of terms and words coined by rail fans and modelers that were not used by the folks who worked on the railroads. And there were many different terms and words used by the workers depending on which railroad they worked for or what region they were in.

    My favorite story was when I was doing some research while building my Sugar Land NTRAK modules. I had located an old retired conductor who had worked for the Missouri Pacific branch line that serviced the sugar mill. I was trying to determine what type of steam locomotives they used on the branch before they switched to diesel. I asked him if they were 2-8-0s, 2-6-0s, 4-6-0s etc. He kind of scratched his head while thinking and finally said, "Well, I think they were something like 245 and 247." Huh? Those were strange wheel arrangements. Oh, he was remembering actual engine numbers, he could care less about wheels. I later looked them up and found those numbers belonged to 4-6-0 Ten Wheelers. I got the information that I was looking for. :)
     
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  9. r_i_straw

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    Changed the trucks and tail light package on the stock Kato Business Car.
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  10. bill pearce

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    All my reference books are in boxes now, awaiting a coming move, or I would look up the SC. The 1937 date sounds right, but i believe the train was first HW cars pulled by steam, followed by HW cars pulled by steam. After a few years of that silliness, it went all LW and F's.
     
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    My favourites...... cracked gears replaced, excellent runners (slow speed) and pullers (lead added).
    3 units motorized, 1 unit dummy with large Tsunami sound decoder (driving all 3 motors) and large speaker, all permanently close coupled, new paint and decals, window glazing.
     
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  12. acptulsa

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    When you catch up to them, you'll discover r_I_straw's post above complete and factual in every way. He saved me a lot of typing, and will do the same for you.

    And you'll find the all room transcontinental that went from HW with steam to HW with steam to LW with steam to Es to Fs was the Chief, and that date you're trying to think of is 1926 (or 1938 when it streamlined).
     
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  13. Dirk Jan Blikkendaal

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    N-scale chair/coach/smoker cars of the Santa Fe.
    Brass sides (Roberto Martari) with 3D printed roof/underbody/ends (ATSFNScaleModels).
    Also 3D printed straight equalized trucks on 2 cars.
     
  14. BarstowRick

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    Any Santa Fe fan and modeler is a man after my own heart. Amazing pictures of Santa Fe's 1000, 2000 and 3000 Class locomotives. That's how I heard them described. That would be from a family of Rails and their fellow Rail brothers and friends.

    While working in a hobby shop. My only claim to fame. I tried to explain that to a well known model railroader and one with a reputable reputation, respected by all of us... and he didn't get it. That's okay. Everything to him was a 2-8-0, 4-8-4 and 2-8-8-4. Another up and coming hobbyist came in and everything was Pacific, Northern, Mikado and Yellowstone. You won't loose me in such a discussion. I dare say most of you will be able to hang in there and throw in a few new ones of your own . But to and for a newbie, gosh I feel sorry for them.

    Dirk, you've caught a locomotive that used to run up and down Cajon Pass as a helper engine. Sporting a Pennyslvania type tender or Turtle Back, as some have called it. Your #1624 and I can't make out the wheel arrangement. Okay. a Mikado? Nope it's a 2-10-2 or Ten Wheeler...I think. Grin!

    Have fun and keep it coming.
     
  15. r_i_straw

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    Awesome job on those etched M&R siding cars. I need inspiration to get back to finishing up my cars using them. It has been a while since we came up with a custom set of decals on the N scale modeling Yahoo group to decorate them. I hope Roberto starts producing sides again soon.
     
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  16. acptulsa

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    ...otherwise known as a Santa Fe Type--regardless of which railroad owns it.
     
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  17. BarstowRick

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    Good one and well played.

    I heard SP jockeys calling the 4-8-4's Santa Fe Types. You just never know where something is going to come from.

    Then there's the 2-10-4's that are called Texas Types. Did I get that right?
     
  18. DCESharkman

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    Sorry, it was a typo Bruce
     
  19. DCESharkman

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    Yes Rick, the 2-10-4 were called Texas Types

    I am very upset that I let my Texas Type go! Big Regrets!
     
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    Yes, indeed.

    The Santa Fe also had the first one of those. It was just a modified 3800 class Santa Fe type, and one of a kind. Nobody paid much attention to it.

    Then the Texas and Pacific ordered a whole group of them from Lima, complete with an articulated frame and a massive ash pan, like Lima Berkshires. And they got called Texas, after the railroad that originated the type.

    Except the T&P didn't originate the type. But the Santa Fe, parent of both the Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe and the Panhandle & Santa Fe, and doing business with thousands of customers in Texas, didn't have much to say about the name except maybe, "Texas type was just the name we had in mind for it!"
     
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