Locomotive Quiz #7

LegomanBill Apr 25, 2013

  1. LegomanBill

    LegomanBill TrainBoard Member

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    Here's the next loco to identify.

    This locomotive set a world speed record (or so we believe), and it still exists, just not in the right form.
    What locomotive is this?
     
  2. bremner

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    my guess NYC 999
     
  3. LegomanBill

    LegomanBill TrainBoard Member

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    It is not 999.
     
  4. paperkite

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    Could it be this one from English rails ?
    This is assuming TGV do not count :

    July 3rd 1938 J. Duddington, an engr for Sir Nigel Gresley's LNER , opened the throttle valve on a stream liner Pacific A4 4-6-2 named Mallard. With the slight downward grade of Stoke Bank, south of Grantham , and a load of 240 tons behind her , Mallard reached Stoke Summit doing about 74 mph. The BBC’s h2g2 records that “From that point there was no more upwards incline so the way was clear for Mallard and her crew to go for the record.” Soon, Duddington had his engine up close to 90 mph, within seven miles she was doing 119 mph, and a further three miles south they hit 125 mph and, for a few seconds, 126 mph.
    The record was set at 125.88 mph (202.58 km/h). There have been a couple of claimaints for higher speeds but they were never officially accepted. Mallard’s record-breaking sprint was verified by multiple instruments in the train and, in the very unlikely event that steam traction returns to railways, will stand unchallenged.

    As of 2008 , this machine is still operating out of York England.
     
  5. paperkite

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    There are reports of higher speeds from North American steam locomotives, although none of these records was officially documented. Locomotives which are rumoured to have exceeded the 126 mph (203 km/h) record include the Pennsylvania Railroad's S1 prototype which was unofficially clocked at 127.1 miles per hour, and the Milwaukee Road class F7. The Milwaukee Road had the fastest scheduled steam-powered passenger trains in the world. Both it and the Chicago & North Western (see CNW Class E-4) had timetables requiring running in excess of 100 mph (160 km/h); it is believed that both railroads' locomotives exceeded 120 mph (190 km/h).[SUP][6][/SUP] However, to put matters into perspective a letter from D.P Morgan (editor of the US Trains magazine) quoted in the Journal of the Stephenson Locomotive Society (Jan 1980) is worth quoting :
    I`m afraid that you`ll not find authenticated records covering maximum speeds attained by Pennsylvania Railroad`s 6100 (S1) or its related T1 duplex-drive machine. The "records" were unofficial, the experiences related by engine crews, and with the passing of years many have either retired or died. Train timing on this side of the Atlantic is simply not of the quality or quantity you are familiar with in the UK or on the Continent.
    The letter is also quoted in Peter Semmens Speed on the East coast Mainline (p72/73), and Semmens goes on to state that the accuracy of mileposts (used in train timing) in the United States varies quite markedly, often they are just attached to the nearest telegraph pole.
    Thus, Mallard still officially holds the record; plaques affixed to each side of the locomotive commemorate the feat.
     
  6. bremner

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    ok, a little more info might be needed, 999 is suposedly the first loco to hit 100 mph, and is sitting on 70" drivers. When she was at her fastest, she was on 86" drivers.....
     
  7. LegomanBill

    LegomanBill TrainBoard Member

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    Hopefully, this will help.

    This locomotive set an unofficial speed record and it "exists", but it is not what it seems. It is also from an Eastern Road.
     
  8. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Argh. There are probably a few claimed "unofficial" records out there....
     
  9. SLSF Freak

    SLSF Freak Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    How about NYC's M-497 jet powered RDC?

    -Mike

    EDIT: oh wait - that railcar doesn't exist anymore ( I don't think? )
     
  10. Keith

    Keith TrainBoard Supporter

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    The M-497 was scrapped in 1984.
     
  11. Keith

    Keith TrainBoard Supporter

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    Could it be PRR #7002?
    Originally PRR #8063.
    Renumbered as Second 7002, after the original land speed record setter was scrapped in 1935.

    7002 was claimed to have achieved 127.1 miles per hour (204.5 km/h) near Elida but this speed was based solely on two passing times recorded by separate observers at two different points (AY Tower and Elida) just 3 miles apart, and it is difficult to obtain even a general indication of a train`s speed from signal box registers. **

    Now on display next to the 1223 at the entrance to the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania's
    Rolling Stock Hall.

    ** The record was never verified and was often disputed. The New York Times believed the claims to have been exaggerated with the speed being closer to, a still respectable, 70–80 miles per hour (110–130 km/h).
     
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  12. LegomanBill

    LegomanBill TrainBoard Member

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    It is 8063/7002. You are correct Keith.
     
  13. paperkite

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    Huh?????? No offical record exsists except for the Mallard A4 Pacific in England ... Next time it needs to be stated US only ...
     
  14. bremner

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    I call BS on this quiz, the REAL Lindburgh Special E6 was scrapped, therefore does not exist, therefore, for US, my answer is correct and for the world, Paperkite's answer is correct.
     
  15. Keith

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    If I may, refer you to original post?
    Said it exists, NOT in original form.
    Also referring to post #7, it was stated it was an Eastern road.
    Only referring to the information stated.
    As far as I care, my guess was really nothing more than a WAG at best!
    Otherwise, I'll leave a final decision to Legoman Bill. It's his contest!
     
  16. LegomanBill

    LegomanBill TrainBoard Member

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    Alright, technically both the Mallard and the 999 could be correct, but in the case of this contest, it is 7002/8063.
    Now, the "exists" I used was a very loose term. I also never said anything about the original one still existing.

    I probably should have been a bit more specific in my wording of this one. Sorry about that.
     

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