Hoboken Accident

wingnut1974 Sep 29, 2016

  1. ScaleCraft

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    The Brits invented intermittent windscreen wipers...inadvertently.
    Lucas toggle switches..dim, flicker and off.

    Or the bumper sticker that says:
    "The parts falling off this car are made to the highest British Standards".
     
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  4. BoxcabE50

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    "...break pipe..."

    Argh.
     
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  5. ScaleCraft

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    Hey. Indicates vast quantities of cluelessness. I am surprised we haven't seen the media suggestion that the engineer should have steered out of the way.
     
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    The media wouldn't suggest that.
    The media would suggest that the conductor should've steered it out of the way.
     
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  7. ScaleCraft

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    One of the local stations here, several years ago, did comment that the engineers should have steered out of the way.
    You just never know what they're gonna say.
    You'd think Arthur Godfrey was still alive and focusing on reporters instead of kids.
     
  8. r_i_straw

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    Well, the TGV has a steering wheel. ;)
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  9. BoxcabE50

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    Where is the turn signal lever?
     
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    I suppose you could also say almost (almost) all freight cars have steering wheels.

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    Please don't take this to insinuate that what I am about to describe is what may have happened in Hoboken.
    BUT...
    My reading of the NTSB findings from the trip recorders indicate a sudden change of throttle position while entering the terminal area. Now.... based on personal experience, I have operated commuter trains that have had pretty loose throttle levers and that condition was duly reported. Not knowing how the control cabs of the those cars are set up or how the control levers are set up(either "side-winder" or desktop) I cant speak to loose control levers. I can say that in the control cab you do not have the sound effects of the locomotive revving up. You can only gauge speed by watching the speedometer and reference points and by "feel". What happened in that control cab is known(or not known) only by the hogger. We also know that the conductor was stessed-out due to an overly heavy passenger count. Chances are that his thoughts were elsewhere. There is still too much to be answered here!

    Charlie
     
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    38 seconds are what is in question. Throttle at idle and speed at 8 MPH - then throttle advanced to 4th notch and speed increased to 21 MPH - throttle returned to idle and brakes applied in emergency - 1 second before striking the bumping block.
     
  14. BoxcabE50

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    It almost seems like he dozed off, suddenly awoke and made a wrong decision.
     
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    Undiagnosed sleep apnea.
    Stepson has it. A former boss had it. He could easily fall asleep in his office chair.

    Couple times I passed his house on way home from work and would see his car front up against the garage door and his brake lights on. Still in the car asleep. He mentioned to us it surprised him.

    News on Google USA. Hate posting news articles anymore. Too much garbage.

    Rich
     
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  16. acptulsa

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    Amazing.

    Dead man switches used to be pedals. Foot slips off-instant effect. Now they use motion detectors programmed not to react until they detect no motion for a certain period of time.

    An improvement?
     
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    There is an article on the net today from the NY Post, obviously written by someone who knows nothing of railroad mechanics/technology. It was titled something like "Brakes found faulty before accident" and went on to describe how two hand brake pins had some problems, like hand brakes had anything to do with train braking.
     
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  18. BoxcabE50

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    What about the turn signals? Did they test those, too?
     
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  19. r_i_straw

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    Obviously the engineer saw this sign.
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  20. mmi16

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    How do you 'police' 38 seconds in real time?
     

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