GP-30 On The Point !

Hytec Mar 10, 2001

  1. Hytec

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    I just saw a GP-30 on the point of a mixed merchandise train going heading west through Gulfport, MS for New Orleans (Saturday 3/10-10:00 AM). It looked freshly re-painted in the current blue/yellow/grey scheme. I missed its number, it went by too fast.

    It could have been the GP-30 Slug that's been around for a while, but the last time I saw the Slug it was painted all grey. Also, why would CSX re-paint a GP-30, unless it was being donated to a display or museum? I will try to get its number if/when it comes back east.

    Has anyone else seen a re-painted GP-30?

    Hank :confused: :confused:
     
  2. NSDASH9

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    It was more than likely one of the road slugs that was rebuilt from a GP30. There were a bunch of those, not just one.

    Chris Toth
     
  3. GP30

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    there are quite a few (2200-23??) but some numbers are vacant. there aren't very many that are in y/b/g scheme. I've seen some like that. most I've ever seen where gray with blue lettering, and yellow ends.
     
  4. Hunter

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    PLEASE try to getb the number, OK?? [​IMG]
     
  5. chessie

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    There are a fair number of the GP30 road slugs repainted into the newest CSX scheme, such as this unit (photo courtesy the CSX photo archives, credit to the photographer, as indicated):
    [​IMG]

    I think many were delivered in the stealth scheme, and just like anything else, they are repainting it as they get around to it!

    Harold
     
  6. Hytec

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    That's an interesting photo. 2209 doesn't even look like a GP-30. It looks more like it started life as a GP-35 or GP-38(?), with a straight hood line continuing over the cab.

    The unit I saw on Saturday had the heavy brow over the cab that was the classic identifier for the GP-30's.

    I'm still waiting for that Slug to return from Gentilly Yard (NO) to get its number. Of course it could have come through during the night, or when I wasn't looking :(

    Later, Hank

    [ 12 March 2001: Message edited by: Hank Coolidge ]
     
  7. NSDASH9

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    The 2200-2330 group of CSX road slugs were rebuilt from GP30's, GP35's and even a couple of GP40's. Here is a roster that lists their former heritage:

    No. Model Former No. Rebuilt

    2200 GP-35 B&O 3544 10/88
    2201 GP-30 B&O 6968 12/88
    2202 GP-35 B&O 3559 2/89
    2203 GP-35 B&O 3581 12/88
    2204 GP-35 B&O 3560 12/88
    2205 GP-35 B&O 3548 1/89
    2206 GP-35 B&O 3540 1/89
    2207 GP-40 SBD 6723 12/88
    2208 GP-30 B&O 6959 12/88
    2209 GP-35 B&O 3516 2/89
    2210 GP-30 C&O 3010 1/89
    2211 GP-30 B&O 6915 1/89
    2212 GP-35 B&O 3551 2/89
    2213 GP-35 C&O 3530 2/89
    2214 GP-35 C&O 3529 2/89
    2215 GP-35 B&O 3510 2/89
    2216 GP-30 B&O 6966 2/89
    2217 GP-30 B&O 6934 2/89
    2218 GP-35 C&O 3568 2/89
    2219 GP-35 B&O 3500 2/89
    2220 GP-35 C&O 3538 2/89
    2221 GP-35 CSXT 4396 2/89
    2222 GP-35 CSXT 4381 2/89
    2223 GP-35 B&O 3505 3/89
    2224 GP-35 C&O 3520 3/89
    2225 GP-30 B&O 6901 3/89
    2226 GP-30 B&O 6909 3/89
    2227 GP-30 CSXT 4140 3/89
    2228 GP-35 C&O 3566 3/89
    2229 GP-35 B&O 3503 3/89
    2230 GP-35 CSXT 4379 3/89
    2231 GP-35 CSXT 4302 3/89
    2232 GP-30 B&O 6949 3/89
    2233 GP-30 CSXT 4118 4/89
    2234 GP-35 C&O 3572 4/89
    2235 GP-35 C&O 3564 4/89
    2236 GP-35 SP 6658 4/89
    2237 GP-35 CSXT 4349 4/89
    2238 GP-35 CSXT 4343 4/89
    2239 GP-35 CSXT 4383 4/89
    2240 GP-35 CSXT 4366 4/89
    2241 GP-30 B&O 6903 5/89
    2242 GP-30 C&O 3031 6/89
    2243 GP-30 B&O 6970 6/89
    2244 GP-40 SBD 6658 6/89
    2245 GP-35 CSXT 4347 6/89
    2246 GP-35 CSXT 4115 6/89
    2247 GP-35 SBD 1411 6/89
    2248 GP-30 CSXT 4111 7/89
    2249 GP-30 CSXT 4113 7/89
    2250 GP-30 ICG 2274 5/89
    2251 GP-30 ICG 2253 5/89
    2252 GP-30 ICG 2251 5/89
    2253 GP-30 GM&O 528 6/89
    2254 GP-30 GM&O 524 6/89
    2255 GP-30 GM&O 511 6/89
    2256 GP-30 GM&O 508 7/89
    2257 GP-30 GM&O 530 7/89
    2258 GP-30 ICG 2265 7/89
    2259 GP-30 GM&O 506 7/89
    2260 GP-30 GM&O 520 7/89
    2261 GP-30 ICG 2254 7/89
    2262 GP-30 ICG 2272 8/89
    2263 GP-30 ICG 2278 8/89
    2264 GP-30 GM&O 510 8/89
    2265 GP-30 CSXT 4107 8/89
    2266 GP-30 CSXT 4116 8/89
    2267 GP-30 CSXT 4126 9/89
    2268 GP-30 CSXT 4129 9/89
    2269 GP-30 CSXT 4139 9/89
    2270 GP-30 SBD 1352 9/89
    2271 GP-30 CSXT 4105 9/89
    2272 GP-30 CSXT 4138 10/89
    2273 GP-30 CSXT 4109 10/89
    2274 GP-35 CSXT 4413 10/89
    2275 GP-35 CSXT 4414 10/89
    2276 GP-35 CSXT 4401 10/89
    2277 GP-35 CSXT 4403 11/89
    2278 GP-35 CSXT 4405 11/89
    2279 GP-35 CSXT 4409 11/89
    2280 GP-30 B&O 6926 9/90
    2281 GP-35 L&N 1107 9/90
    2282 GP-35 B&O 3546 9/90
    2283 GP-30 B&O 6930 10/90
    2284 GP-35 B&O 3518 10/90
    2285 GP-30 B&O 6967 10/90
    2286 GP-35 B&O 3552 10/90
    2287 GP-30 C&O 3032 10/90
    2288 GP-35 C&O 3525 10/90
    2289 GP-30 B&O 6906 10/90
    2290 GP-35 B&O 3550 10/90
    2291 GP-35 C&O 3531 11/90
    2292 GP-30 B&O 6936 11/90
    2293 GP-35 C&O 3532 11/90
    2294 GP-30 B&O 6921 11/90
    2295 GP-35 CSXT 4420 11/90
    2296 GP-30 B&O 6937 11/90
    2297 GP-35 C&O 3534 11/90
    2298 GP-30 B&O 6927 11/90
    2299 GP-35 B&O 3549 11/90
    2300 GP-30 B&O 6969 11/90
    2301 GP-35 C&O 3528 11/90
    2301 GP-35 C&O 3528 11/90

    2303 GP-35 B&O 3555 12/90
    2304 GP-35 C&O 3567 12/90
    2305 GP-35 C&O 3527 12/90
    2306 GP-35 C&O 3562 12/90
    2307 GP-35 B&O 3515 12/90
    2308 GP-30 B&O 6964 12/90
    2309 GP-30 C&O 3022 12/90
    2310 GP-35 B&O 3513 12/90
    2311 GP-35 CSXT 4416 12/90
    2312 GP-30 C&O 3041 12/90
    2313 GP-35 B&O 3519 12/90
    2314 GP-35 C&O 3522 1/91
    2315 GP-35 C&O 3535 1/91
    2316 GP-35 B&O 3501 1/91
    2317 GP-35 B&O 3545 1/91
    2318 GP-35 B&O 3506 1/91
    2319 GP-35 C&O 3575 1/91
    2320 GP-30 C&O 3007 2/91
    2321 GP-35 C&O 3570 2/91
    2322 GP-30 B&O 6960 2/91
    2323 GP-30 C&EI 241 2/91
    2324 GP-30 L&N 1007 2/91
    2325 GP-35 C&O 3571 2/91
    2326 GP-30 L&N 1039 2/91
    2327 GP-35 L&N 1109 2/91
    2328 GP-30 L&N 1029 2/91
    2329 GP-30 L&N 1026 2/91
    2330 GP-35 C&O 3583 2/91


    Chris Toth
     
  8. Hytec

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    Good Grief - I never realized CSX had THAT MANY slugs .... :eek:

    OK, now for my next dumb question! Why would the Ops Dept. want a large roster of slugs?

    It's my understanding that slugs consist only of four traction motors and a whole bunch of cement for weight in place of the prime mover. To use a slug, you need a full-blown loco coupled directly to the slug so the loco can also supply juice for the slug motors. Obviously you can NOT run a slug alone for this reason. Also, I assume that the loco would need all of its juice for its own traction motors when under heavy load.

    Sounds like slugs would have very limited useage. I can understand hump or yard duty, but as road engines .... ?


    I'm sure it must make money or else CSX wouldn't do it. Anybody have some insight?

    Thanks, Hank

    [ 12 March 2001: Message edited by: Hank Coolidge ]
     
  9. chessie

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hank Coolidge:
    That's an interesting photo. 2209 doesn't even look like a GP-30. It looks more like it started life as a GP-35 or GP-38(?), with a straight hood line continuing over the cab.

    Later, Hank

    [ 12 March 2001: Message edited by: Hank Coolidge ]
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    There's just no fooling you guys! You are too smart! It was my goof, actually the photo I meant to post was this one, same source:
    [​IMG]

    Harold

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  10. chessie

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hank Coolidge:
    Good Grief - I never realized CSX had THAT MANY slugs .... :eek:

    << Yes, they had quite a slugfest going on [​IMG] They actually had other slugs classified as "Switcher mates" sucha s this (photo courtesy CSX photo archives):
    [​IMG]

    OK, now for my next dumb question! Why would the Ops Dept. want a large roster of slugs?

    << The slugs are actually quite handy. It applies the 3000 hp of the "parent" over 8 powered axles, instead of 4. They are flexible in that you can control the consist from the cab of the slug, which makes for a much quieter ride, since there is no diesel engine!>>

    Also, I assume that the loco would need all of its juice for its own traction motors when under heavy load.

    << the GP40-2's have more than enough juice to share, since the slug sets are not used in high speed operation, rather low speed drag operation.>>

    Sounds like slugs would have very limited useage. I can understand hump or yard duty, but as road engines .... ?

    << Again, they beauty is in the low speed drag operation. Think of it as an 8 axle SD40... the more axles, the more traction.>>

    I'm sure it must make money or else CSX wouldn't do it. Anybody have some insight?

    Thanks, Hank

    [ 12 March 2001: Message edited by: Hank Coolidge ]
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    << I hope this sheds a little insight

    Harold >>
     
  11. GP30

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    the CSX slugs, have prime movers I think. they have a smaller prime mover (hence n ot side door for access to the motor), but the tractive effort is a lot more after their conversions to slugs.

    yes they are used as road engines ;)

    ***[the part about the slugs having smaller prime movers, is because 1, it makes sence, and 2, I was beside on one day that was hooked up to an SD40-2, the SD40-2 was shut down but I could feel the het radiating off the side of the unit, and the vibrations (not to mention the noise)] #2283 I believe it was.
     
  12. NSDASH9

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    Let me explain the reasoning behind slugs. A high horsepower locomotive such as the GP40-2 CSX uses as master units are capable of producing far more power than can be transmitted to the rails via the four traction motors it has.

    By rebuilding some older units that otherwise would have been scrapped to slugs, the excess power from the master unit can be routed to the four additional traction motors of the slug unit. That excess power of the master is put to good use and you get a lot more tractive effort without having to have a second locomotive in the consist.

    There are different types of slugs--those for road use and those for yard use.

    The yard slugs are usually cut down to make it easier for yard crews to see over/around them. These yard slugs are used for traction only and usually have no dynamic braking equipment.

    The CSX road slugs retain their cabs and the consist can be controlled from either the slug or the GP40-2 master unit. Crews love operating from the road slugs as they are very quiet since they have no diesel prime mover. These units also have dynamic braking equipment which is a great asset in road use.

    To answer the question regarding prime movers, slug units have NO engine. All power comes from the master unit. In the case of the CSX road slugs, the doors that remain at the rear of the long hood are for access to an electric blower motor that is used for cooling the traction motors.

    Chris Toth
     
  13. Chessie_SD50_8563

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    That heat and vibration was the small Traction Motor blower motor. now why was it running when the mother was off I dont know
     
  14. GP30

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    YEE HAW I WAS WRONG AGAIN (I like that in way so then I can learn something) :D :rolleyes: ;)
    anyhow, there was another GP40-2 coupled nose to nose with it (forget the number) so maybe that's where it was coming from??
    like this:
    <<8033 , 2283>> , <<6--- , 7014>>

    It just also might be a possiblity that only th C30-7(7014) was the only unit running other than the Unknown GP40-2 that supplied extra power to the slug :confused: hmmmm. [​IMG]

    [ 13 March 2001: Message edited by: A&A 6183 ]
     
  15. Hytec

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    Thanks for all the great info. I never realized slugs were so useful. Hank
     
  16. GP30

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    what Slug # (I'm thinking a GP35 slug) is mated with GP40-2 #6483??? 9 I saw it with a mate in town last night but I didn't get the number of the Slug.
     
  17. chessie

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by A&A 6183:
    what Slug # (I'm thinking a GP35 slug) is mated with GP40-2 #6483??? 9 I saw it with a mate in town last night but I didn't get the number of the Slug.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    According to the "Bull Sheet", GP40-2 # 6483 is (was?) mated to slug # 2228; according to NSDASH9's post earlier in this topic, #2228 was formerly a GP-35 C&O #3566.

    Here's a picture of that unit (undated) from the CSX Photo Archives:
    [​IMG]

    Harold
     
  18. GP30

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    well that pic of 2228 is out dated, I saw yellow ends and I think a blue cab, (regular paint job;Bright Future scheme) I could tell because the 2nd unit had no side doors and no roof blister(or whatever it's really called) so I assumed it was an Old GP35. THANKS HAROLD!
     
  19. GP30

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    this is an add on to NSDASH9's post with the roster of Slugs: (the unit former types are from Examination of photos, correct me if wrong!)
    2331 ---- ---- ---- ?/??
    2332 GP40 ---- ---- ?/??
    2333 GP40 ---- ---- ?/??
    2334 ---- ---- ---- ?/??
    2335 GP40 ---- ---- ?/??
    2336 GP40 ---- ---- ?/??
    2337 No Pic for this unit
    2338 No pic for this unit
    2339 GP40 ---- ---- ?/??
    2340 No pic for this unit
    2341 No pic for this unit
    2342 GP40 ---- ---- ?/??
    2343 GP40 ---- ---- ?/??
    2344 ---- ---- ---- ?/??
    2345 No Pic for this unit
    2346 ---- ---- ---- ?/??
    2347 ---- ---- ---- ?/??
    2348 No Pic for this unit
    2349 GP38 ---- ---- ?/??
    2350 GP-- ---- ---- ?/??


    Please add to this if any thing or if anything is incorrect plese fix it. Most units maybe a GP40 with an exception to 2349 which seems to be a GP38 from that "box" between the only grills(immediately behind the cab) and the Dynamic Brake blister. I think these slugs have Dynamic Brakes because they still retain the DB fan and blister. They are also newly repainted so I assume they were recently rebuilt ?? once more, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG!! and ADD ON if you find the missing stuff!!
     
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    one more correction, #2241 (ex-GP30) is retired for an unknown reason.
     

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