GEVO's Coming...

ljudice Jun 13, 2009

  1. bfc1230

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  2. Steve 4 Painting

    Steve 4 Painting TrainBoard Member

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    ...but, the Rio Tinto ones have a totally different cab than all the others, so is the radiator section which is much bigger than on the other GEVOs and the CEMX one, well there is only one... ;)
     
  3. sundowner

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    From looking at the poster again, looks like FVM is only doing the two dynamic brake version and painting them for the roads that have three CSX, KCS, and Ferromex. Looks like they are only going to make UP and BNSF models and paint them for the rest. Disapointing.
     
  4. sandro schaer

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    if the cp units don't feature correct light/numberboards i will have to cancel my preorder. big bummer.
     
  5. mtntrainman

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    With all these presumable 'non-prototypical' problems...it would only make sense that we 'non-rivet counters' should be able to pick them up for a song and a dance...considering all the preorder cancellations being talked about...
    :tb-cool::thumbs_up::tb-ooh:

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  6. DrifterNL

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    With all due respect to “non rivet counters”:
    I don’t consider parts being in the correct place as rivet counting.
    When a manufacturer announces a new product in a certain paint scheme shouldn’t it resemble the prototype as closely as possible?
    Otherwise what is the difference between a model and a toy?
    I’m not here to bash FVM, I have a few of their products that I’m very happy with.
    If they make the necessary changes to the GEVO to match the CP version I would gladly place an order.

     
  7. N-Jineer

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    Hear, Hear!

    I'm not a rivet counter; I could forgive FVM if they got the trucks conpletely wrong for CP and other details - but the wrong Numberboards?

    Sorry, that's a liberty too far.

    So now I'll just have to wait and see what IM do with the CN SD40-2W.

    At least I've got a SD40-2F conversion to while away the time - if I ever get up the nerve to open the box! :plaugh:
     
  8. ljudice

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    In fairness to FVM, the real problem here is that most of the news about this model has been leaked in dribs and drabs to various forums. There is no announcement or details on the FVM website at all. You really have to wonder about the decision to do that NSR ad - with no details - drum up excitement - and then have to backtrack as actual information is released.

    Another tidbit discussed in several places, but still not verified is the business of the grab irons - which are supposedly free standing, unpainted parts you are left to drill and install. I would be happy to preorder these, but not if I have to drill - what - 48 or so holes in a $100+/- model. (GEVO's have grabs on the carbody side I believe as well as the ends)
     
  9. James Costello

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    There is nothing new in a manufacturer showing off a new model poster or even early pre-production samples at train shows.... especially in advance of an "official" announcement and the release of the model specifications and details. None of the news of the GEVO has been leaked by FVM, it's all been reports from Portland and speculation on the net... so FVM are hardly to blame for the current sandstorm in this teacup. That will not be the case if they are too slow getting the information to the market, especially if they want to capitalise on the teaser ad / Portland show and the "hype" generated by the internet modellers.
     
  10. Steve 4 Painting

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    I like that... :)
     
  11. ljudice

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    James, that's basically what I said...

    The smarter way to have handled this would have been to place the teaser ad with a URL - ie. counting down to the day of announcement. You can buy URLs that cannot be traced back to anyone very easily, exactly for this purpose.

    Then on the announcement day, have everything out there. No speculation, no rumors - just the facts.

    Personally, I think this is going to be a great model, and should be a good seller given the interest show. But no one can blame the customers or the "internet modellers" for their curiosity, especially since they fanned the flames with the unidentified teaser ad to begin with!
     
  12. maxairedale

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    How much bigger?
    In N-Scale will you really be able to tell the difference between a gevo and an ac4400 when parked next to each other?

    Gary
     
  13. Steve 4 Painting

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    yes, compare BNSF #4173 with BNSF #7533 or the two Ferromex engines...
    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1414682

    or this Ferromex ES44AC...
    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1015477

    or on this Rio Tinto ES44DCi, even bigger...
    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1097806

    look that huge thing...
    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1133973
     
  14. r_i_straw

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    Thanks for pointing those spotting features out. I had no idea. Big difference if you know where to look. Oh well, back to the transition era. ;)
     
  15. sundowner

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  16. Westfalen

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    That would have to be the ugliest looking rear end I've ever seen on a diesel. I note that the rear of the Rio Tinto units have quite a few differences around the radiator area from the Ferro Mex units because of the harsher conditions they have to work under as well as an extra waist height handrail the length of the unit, possibly due to stricter Australian health & safety regulations.
     
  17. Mark Watson

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    Looks like something inspired by star trek. :p
     
  18. N-Jineer

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    Very true - except you must've missed post 177 from DrifterNL. If you had, you'd see that this "current sandstorm in this teacup" as you put it, IS their fault - their replies to emailed questions.

    I emailed FVM my own question, basically why CP when CN would be more prototypically correct; just received a reply from FVM:

    PHP:
    Hi Steve,
     
    Who said CN was out of the mix;)
     
    Best regards,
     
    Matt
    If that's not stirring the teacup, I don't know what is....
     
  19. skipgear

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    This is all conjecture. Matt has stated that no official part numbers or release info will be available till at least the NMRA show, and that is if all goes well with paint samples. He is still waiting on pricing quotes and paint samples from what has been stated before he finalizes any of this.

    It is impossible to cancle a pre-order than has not even happened yet. Matt of FVM did a great job keeping these under his hat till a week or so ago, who knows what else he could be setting on before the actual announcement.

    I would wait till the information is available before condeming them on a few pictures and a poster. If the first batch goes well, I wouldn't think it impossible to add more variations on a second run.

    As far as the Rio Tinto, wow, what a beast. Very mechanical and brutish looking. Not pretty but purposeful looking. Almost steam loco like. I don't have a dog in this fight except hoping they are a great seller for FVM so Matt can continue to expand his product line.
     
  20. James Costello

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    No, I saw it and thanks for proving my point.

    If people get their hopes up based on speculation or hype before the manufacturer releases official information, then there is only one person to blame.

    Whether FVM or any manufacturer releases a model that is incorrect for one of the paint schemes offered, for whatever reason, is another issue (or sandstorm) altogether.
     

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