FVM: NS and BNSF Gevo are here!

seeing as all my NS stuff is wrong i'm going to model the UP
seems there the only ones that care if there stuff is
made right!!

 

Can someone point me in the KCS ES44ac direction? I am behind and need to catchup. Can't find any anywhere!



dave t

 

I agree!

I sent all of mine back because there was no diesel smoke or sparks comming out the exhaust port.

 

You snooze, you lose!

You have, however, done the correct thing by posting - it's always possible someone will have a few left over and will let you know. With today's short runs, if something comes out you need, you've gotta get it like NOW!

If I were you, I'd also post to Atlas N and the N Scale Yard Sale (Yahoo Groups) and the N_Scale list (also Yahoo Groups).

Good Luck, Dave!

 

Thanks Jim. I know I am on the late show!! Maybe because nobody has done this paint scheme, they are all gone. Someone will probably have them for full retail plus markup!! BTW very cool layout! There is excitement in trying to find these. maybe FVM will run them again!


dave t

 

I heard that the next run of these will include the KCS de Mexico paint scheme, which is the same as KCS, except for the added "de Mexico" on the sides in small black letters, so if you can't find any, all is not lost. Good luck!

 

I would send them back if they did blow (diesel) smoke or sparks.....:tb-confused::tb-biggrin:

 

Are we being funny???

Scott

 

He's giving someone some stick, relocating a headlight and touching up some paint isnt the biggest issue on the planet....Mark4Design makes NS GE cabs anyway so its merely a case of replacing the cab and painting it to match.

 

Matching Norfolk Southern's 13 dip black isn't hard its matching the paint the manufacturers use.That is why many complain about the wrong details on locomotives.

It would be best to start with a undecorated Gevo and add the Mark4 Design cab.By doing that the paint will match.

Of course,any time we green light mistakes we are not helping at all and at today's prices we should demand correct details..

How hard would it been to tool a correct NS cab after all they did the high and low rear headlights? I can't help but wonder how many sales was lost or cancelled because of the incorrect headlight placement?


As a side note seeing NS has 205 ES40DCs each consecutive run could feature new numbers.

 

Yes, in a way......

I think all the hostility about the faults of the locomotives are a bit rediculus. These are models and by definition, a model is a "representation" of the original. It does not mean it is an exact replica.

I also think it is funny that the cosmetics of the locomotives are more important then the functioning of the drive units.

Nose lights vs cab lights means nothing if the unit does not run.

 

Sorry, gotta ask..

Then we should applaud mistakes and say well done?

If we did that we would have $100-120.00 locomotives with open pilots and rapido couplers instead of what we have..

 

Well said...thank you :thumbs_up:

*I'm still smiling :tb-smile:

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Wow, this is ridiculous. Seriously.


Nose lights? Really?

How about this, everyone who buys one of these send them to me, I'll fix the nose lights and put them in the correct position for $10. Now your brand new model will only cost $95.



How about when Kato did the SD40-2 and NONE of them had anticlimbers? Or Intermountain with the Tunnel Motors?? Now I have to pay $60-$80 on the 'bay, get a SD60 sill from Atlas, BLMA walkway tread, and cut the crap out of the front handrails to put on the anticlimber and STILL not have the "correct" handrails.

Or I can buy a "mid" SD40-2 with the anticlimber, cut off those stupid ditch lights, get some BLMA walkway tread, cover the holes, move the nose lights back up to between the numberboards, and put the horn back on the cab.


Oh, here's another one....
Lets say you wanna model the great Southern Pacific. Atlas and Kato both made many SP models.... But where are the the signature NOSE LIGHTS at? How can I say that's an SP loco without the nose lights???

Ridiculous right?!

If I waited for a manufacturer to make the exact loco that fits my exact time frame then I'd be pulling my freight cars with my hands.

Be lucky you have someone making a new model that fits your exact time frame!

Ok, I'm done with this thread now.

Mike

 

Just found something even funnier...


Talk about contradictory....

 

Be lucky that you have a model that comes in your roadname. If you're modeling something like SP&S or WPRR like me you're going to spend a lot of time sitting around waiting if it's all going to be up to the manufacturers.


Pastoolio, if you pull the freight cars around with your hands you'll have to get a couple of LED flashlights and tape them to the back of you hand to help simulate the distinctive light packages of the SP.



This thread has a lot of what I see in several other threads. There's some excitement about a new product or paint scheme for a model that gives way to disappointment that such and such a company didn't do it 100% right, but only 95% right. Since most of these models come out in several roadnames I am not really sure that any manufacturer selling these for what people are currently paying could really custom-build each different sort of light package or brake blister placement or what have you. We're model railroaders, not just collectors, so we have opportunities to fix things the way we want them.

Some people are going to be just fine with whatever "wrong" model is put out by X manufacturer, and some are going to want to change things. I think there's enough room in this hobby to live and let live.

Adam

 

But it's not just tooling a new cab. FVM uses light pipes for the headlight so now you have a new cab and a new light pipe. But wait, now the windshield casting doesn't fit so you have to make a new cab, new windshield and a new light pipe molds.

So you have a model with a correct NS cab and now someone notices that there are no rear ditch lights! Well those are pretty prominent too. Darn, better make a new deck casting for just NS to get those lights. Hmmm. They don't light up??? What the heck? Okay. ANOTHER light pipe casting just for the NS loco and more LED's. Uh, but they all come on at the same time... Soooo.. A new circuit board just for the NS version with the directional lighting circuit.

How many people will buy the NS version if it's $30 (retail) higher than the other version? But at least it's correct! (or is it? What about those vents? Grrrrrrr)

The point is Matt had to choose to stop somewhere. But no matter where he stops, someone's gonna complain. So he chose to stop here, governed by economics, I'm sure. Maybe later on, after a few profitable runs, he can afford to tool up a few new castings. Only Matt knows that answer. Of course, not buying any of the current run will almost 100% ensure that none are done later.

Me? I'll run mine the way they are until I feel like changing them. I bought 2 NS painted ones and one undec just to play with possibilities. I forgot that Mark4Design makes NS GE cabs. I was going to try to design them myself. Maybe I still will. That's the fun of it.

Don't get me wrong. I know our models have progressed a huge amount since that first Trix F9 I got in the Aurora Postage Stamp train set for Christmas. And I know it's the "complaining" that brought about the changes. But, if you never buy anything because "it's not right", then you'll never buy anything and there will be nobody to buy anything from in the first place.

 

reinhardtjh,As I mention I am a close enough/good enough modeler and its a sad day when I complain seeing I am thrilled with the progress N Scale as made over the years.
However,Matt would have been wise to made the correct cab since its a highly noticeable detail.

I am also aware the Gevo has above 20 variations that varies from road to road and IIRC UP has 4 versions and I realize and appreciate Matt couldn't do all the variations and I don't think any manufacturer could.


When a old fossil like me complains how much more are the strickler modelers howling and not buying? I suspect a lot more then we see here.

Addressing another comment sure we can replace the cab with a Mark4 cab but,how about the few that models with handicaps that can't do such simple detail work that wants correct NS Gevos?

 

Well said.

 

Actually those thoughts are the reason many throws up their hands in disgust and switch to HO.

One would expect in 2010 to get locomotives with correct headlights to include SPs.

Another inexcusable mistake by any standards was Atlas RS1s with the blue headlights.

Another inexcusable mistake was Atlas NS GP38s with white handrails by the steps..

I could rattle on about mistakes the manufacturers make but,the point is we should be outrage instead of defending high dollar foobies..