Thanks Charlie, I was gone for a week since you helped me and just now getting back on the board. I am retired and resurrecting my HO layout that my boys and I started 30 years ago. I live in Port Washington WI. I'm active in My Church, Christ the King Lutheran here in Port. Also very active in Kiwanis and a little active in the American Legion. I'm an Industrial Tech. graduate of UW Stout class of 73. Retired from Stainless Foundry and Engineering in Milwaukee. I saw a Shay while in Northern California last fall and would like to add narrow gauge logging to my layout. I have questions but will post them in the narrow gauge section.