What did I buy and now finding out.

Hans Nesbitt Jul 15, 2016

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  1. Doug A.

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    Seems like the only people upset by this discussion is a moderator that happens to be actively participating, and a wannabe moderator that hasn't participated at all. Am I missing something? It's a discussion, this is a discussion forum.

    One of the o.p.'s primary issues was items passed off as new that weren't. Seems the people passing things off as new may think that is ok. Obviously there are differing opinions on that. Which is exactly my point...never believe something is really new, unless you are holding it in your hands from a shelf in a nice store. (EDIT: Or it comes in the mail from a reputable online business.)
     
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  2. mtntrainman

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    Wow!!! Cooollll. Now I am "a wannabe moderator"...My life is complete...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  3. BoxcabE50

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    It may be a discussion, but it's just chasing it's tail. Those who are upset are the ones who have been burned by their own decisions, then want to change the world instead of becoming better consumers. The "discussion" gets no help when for reasons unknown people wander off to v belts, then blame someone else. If you want it to stay on topic, then stay on topic. V belts don't help the OP.
     
  4. Doug A.

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    That's your opinion. You are clearly too invested in this discussion to fairly moderate it. When someone says an item sitting on a shelf for 20 years is the same as one sitting on the shelf for 20 minutes, then "V Belts" or any other item that contains rubber, or plastic, or zinc, or oil, or just about any material that has the ability to degrade over time is relevant, whether you want to believe it or not. You don't have to believe me, just ask chemists and engineers. #science

    And again...I will repeat "my point...never believe something is really new, unless you are holding it in your hands from a shelf in a nice store. (EDIT: Or it comes in the mail from a reputable online business.)" SO I'm saying quite the opposite of not wanting them to be better consumers. I think they SHOULD be better consumers....buyer beware....and never assume anything is actually new. I'm not sure how I can state that any clearer.
     
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  5. BoxcabE50

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    Which mine carries just as much value as yours.

    There has been no moderating. Nor shall I recuse myself, having every right to participate, in any discussion- just the same as you.

    If the chemists, et al, opinions were absolute, then we'd have nothing of any age or antiquity. Thankfully, they are not always right. That's why we can find cars today driving safely down the roads which still have their original parts and equipment. Why model trains 100 years old still exist and are even operable. And know N scale new/NOS in their boxes from twenty years ago, which the worst might be a need for cleaning and fresh lube.

    Meanwhile, circles, circles. Still not new idea one, on the table. Buyer beware. Use your head when shopping. If you opt to purchase, cast no blame elsewhere. You get what you bought.
     
  6. bremner

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    There are other staff members watching...terminology can be a bad thing....I have a set of New Old Stock spark plugs for an Offenhauser inline 4 cylinder engine. I can't call them new since they are about 40 years old, no store would take them back since only a collector with an old racecar can use them. How is this relevant? Simple, a new, in the box Kato GP50 is still not new or used....it is New Old Stock, a discontinued item that has never been used and a store will not take back. This conversation is repeating itself with slightly different words.
     
  7. glennac

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    It's unfair to keep blaming the buyer when pictures, titles, and descriptions give one impression, and physical examination upon arrival gives another.

    Commerce, especial at long distance, only works when there has been good faith, integrity, and honesty. If sellers would simply rate their own items honestly them "New" would have real meaning.

    But when "New" is used in an inflated way, or in a downright deceptive way, then it cheapens the word for everyone. As items age, the use of "New" becomes more and more suspicious as time goes along.

    I completely understand sellers want to sell their items (I'm an eBay seller myself). But reputations are built on the ability to accurately present your wares. When descriptors like New start getting used for everything someone sells, then the word losses all meaning and it casts doubt on the integrity of the one using it.
     
  8. ken G Price

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    Yeah, Mike. that am.
    Every used item from any online store has been as described. Even better sometimes.
     
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