TTX sold 45 TOFC flats to the Australian National Railways in 1985. Can anybody identify the exact type, which TTX number series they would have been and whether there is a suitable model available? AFIY 27 M Tarcoola 4/1994 :: AFIY27.jpg :: Fotopic.Net AFWY 19 S Tarcoola 6/1993 :: AFWY19.jpg :: Fotopic.Net AFWY 35 V Tarcoola 4/1994 :: AFWY35.jpg :: Fotopic.Net AFWY 44 U Dry Creek 9/1998 :: AFWY44.jpg :: Fotopic.Net Cheers David
heh I like car strapped to the top of the trailer in the third pic. Anyway this would probably be what you are looking for. http://www.nscalekits.co.uk/89ftFlatcars.html
I'd already seen those models but they don't match the prototype. The prototype has distinctive structures under the trailer wheels and a raised wheel handbrake on the side. I'm wondering if they might be some of the earliest TTX 89' flats from the 1960s. Cheers David
Aside from the brake wheel those look the same as the Channel side flats that N scale kits has. And since that is the only kit available of that particular car you'll most likely have to mod that car to match the specs of the ones in Australia. Do you have pictures of the structure under the wheels? That might help in locating anything better, but like i said those are gonna be the closest you are going to get in N scale.
It says 89' in the thread topic.:tb-cool: And looking at the other pics in that gallery i can see where all the older rail cars go when they retire http://norm333.photoblog.org.uk/p49798729.html http://norm333.photoblog.org.uk/p45680967.html Neat seeing these autoracks still being used
Okay, my bad. I read the wrong measurement off the ANR diagram. The length over end sills is 25925mm which is 85'. I have also been informed that they have a range of build dates from 1958 to 1963. Cheers David
I think that you are right. These are not the original 85' cars that went into Trailer Train fleet but look very similar to later TTX 85' cars. We do not produce anything like this car at present, but are investigating possible production. The structure under the wheels is a lift to enable the axles to clear the lowered hitch. These were also used on the TTX F39c. However, in the production of the F39 we have cast a number of items that you would need if you are scratch building them, including similar bridge plates and brake wheel housing. Get in touch if you want further information at peter@nscalekits.com Have a look at http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=15276 http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=18164 These FEC cars look similar, but I am unsure of the provenance of these car, except that Joe Pusey suggests that these are ex-SP and could be the 1960 ACF built F-70-17 cars that SP and PFE ran. Peter Peter Harris N Scale Kits N Scale Kits
The orignal TTX fleet at startup was all 75 footers... 85 footers on TTX came in the very late fifties and were built through to the mid-60s.
Given the build dates... there's three major possibilities... ACF built TTX classed F85As Pullman Standard built TTX classed F85Bs Both of these classes were built from 1958 to 1963... Another is the General American G85/G85A... i.e, Triplex's GTTX cars... but these were first built in late 1959. (GATC tried to compete against TTX with it's own flatcar pool, but after a year the roads joined TTX... nicley enough, TTX ordered plenty more G85/G85As from GATC, all GTTX marked to follow the suit of the prior cars) Looking at the pictures... AFWY 19 is not the same car as the other three (slight fishbelly on the side, no underframe supports going to the deck)... so I'd be willing to bet there's a mix...
My apologies, Robbman is absolutely correct. The original cars into the Trailer Train pool, the F39, was 75'. I should know - we are still working on getting an N Scale model of the car out. Sorry for the slip. The 85' cars were the result of a debate in TT over whether to go for 'safer' 50' cars or the longer 85' to replace the 75' F39 and similar cars. The upshot is that there are no models of either the ACF or the PS cars at present. The cars do not look like the G-85 cars as these had a high clejan style center sill to take both clejan fitted and ACF hitch fitted trailers. Peter Peter Harris N Scale Kits N Scale Kits
Would that make them a mix of ACF F85A and Pullman Standard F85B? Surely there must be a model of these given that about 3000(?) of each were built. Cheers David
Not in N Scale yet!! Although they are in HO as Athearn has an accurate representation of the Trailer Train paint scheme F-85-B. I do like these 85' cars in both ACF and PS versions and if there was interest we will investigate them as a possible addition to the fleet. Peter Peter Harris N Scale Kits www.nscalekits.com
