To "Frame" or "Not to Frame"...

Stourbridge Lion May 10, 2000

  1. Stourbridge Lion

    Stourbridge Lion TrainBoard Supporter

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    I'm new to building Web Sites and I'm tring to use "Frames"; but, I've also had some push back from visitor's saying that "Frames" leave little room for images to be displayed well. How can I do both well?

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  2. rray

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    I'm trying to do frames on my site. It requires a total rewrite, and yes, pictures do present a problem. I try it out by changing resolution from 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768. Everything has to be centered too. I'm hoping to have it done by this weekend.

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  3. Gats

    Gats Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    To frame or not to frame...

    I have been thinking the same myself. At this time I have a frames-free, java-free, script-free site.
    But the frames do have the added attraction of having the menu in the left frame. With larger monitors comes higher resolutions so the picture size problem is becoming moot. At 1024x768 you should have enough left over for a 800 wide picture with maybe a little obscured. You can always right click and view image anyway - that pops up another browser window with the image.
    My thinking is the front page and any information page, i.e. a photo thumb page, can be in the frame but the actual photo pages should stand-alone. That is when the thumb is selected a new window opens.

    Gary.

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  4. rray

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    I just finished converting to frames, and I resized my photos from 600 to 400 pixel wide, so people with 640x480 screensize can enjoy the site also. It was a job that took several days, but it was fun.

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  5. virtual-bird

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stourbridge Lion:
    I'm new to building Web Sites and I'm tring to use "Frames"; but, I've also had some push back from visitor's saying that "Frames" leave little room for images to be displayed well. How can I do both well?
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    My original homepage was frames..

    there is little problem with images, as you just change the width= height= to match your page..
    if you use width and height images load faster..

    As someone said frames have the advantage of the menu on the left. They can go anywhere at anytime.

    You know how annoying it is to get half a dozen pages into a site then wanting to go back to something else at the start.

    Frames are a individual thing. to me.. they work.

    Last thing... if you go frames and dont like them, its a bit of a chore to change all the pages and stuff to change links, and back buttons, and more!!!!
     
  6. virtual-bird

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stourbridge Lion:
    I'm new to building Web Sites and I'm tring to use "Frames"; but, I've also had some push back from visitor's saying that "Frames" leave little room for images to be displayed well. How can I do both well?
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    Yes you can do frames and non frames.. opening page reads..
    click here for frames
    click here for no frames

    you need more pages though.. a pain when updating.

    there is very little problem with images, as you just change the width= height= to match your page.. if you use width and height images load faster..

    As someone said frames have the advantage of the menu on the left. They can go anywhere at anytime.

    You know how annoying it is to get half a dozen pages into a site then wanting to go back to something else at the start.

    Frames are a individual thing. to me.. they work.

    Last thing... if you go frames and dont like them, its a bit of a chore to change all the pages and stuff to change links, and back buttons, and more!!!!

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  7. Kevin Stevens

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    As an alternative to frames, I am using a shared top and left border on my page. The top border includes my title image, while the left border includes site navigation links. My photo galleries include thumbnail photos and descriptions, with the thumbnail linking to a page that includes the full size photo without the shared borders. I hope this information is on topic.

    Kevin Stevens www.trainweb.org/KernJunction
     
  8. virtual-bird

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kevin Stevens:
    As an alternative to frames, I am using a shared top and left border on my page. The top border includes my title image, while the left border includes site navigation links. I hope this information is on topic.

    Kevin Stevens www.trainweb.org/KernJunction
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    Kev..
    frames like our site. http://www.geocities.com/sydney_nscale/

    I know what you mean, I think they are talking about frames that dont scroll...
     
  9. Stourbridge Lion

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    Kevin/virtual-bird,

    I looked at your sites and you both have the same approach. If you had a few "Thousand" images and large amounts of data, would you have taken the same approach? I ask this since this is what I will be facing. I'm trying to find the best solution and seek everyone's thoughts on this subject.

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    stourbridge_lion@yahoo.com
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  10. virtual-bird

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stourbridge Lion:
    Virtual-bird,

    If you had a few "Thousand" images and large amounts of data, would you have taken the same approach? I ask this since this is what I will be facing.
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    We do have a heap of images. They are not all up yet!

    You always break things up into catagories. Data or images. Never have a page with heaps of full size images..

    See our images pages where we have different thumbnails of each catagory. This way the viewer clicks on the thumb, and the image opens up to the full foto... if they waited for the 10 odd full size fotos, they would leave before 4 could load - well I would!!
    They can see what they are looking at and select which to look at.

    GATS has a better idea, when he suggested you have an image open up in a new window.. this way you still view all the images, and see the one opening.

    if you have any questions hey ask.. Im at home for the next few months after my accident.
    http://bird.users.fl.net.au/injuries.htm
     
  11. Stourbridge Lion

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    virtual-bird,

    I understand and agree about breaking up the images by type. The problem again is I could have nearly a hundred images of just a single class of engine. I plan to learn how to open the images into a seperate window via FrontPage 2000. It also sounds like using Frames is the way to go; but, to open seperate windows for images. I also feel that having stored thumbnails is better than dynamically building the thumbnails when pages have several images so the page loads faster. As I get more sections of the museum built, I'm sure I will have more questions and seek options.

    Thanks all...


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    stourbridge_lion@yahoo.com
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  12. Gats

    Gats Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Do you need to open the image in withing the main frame, or in a completely new window? If it's a new, non-framed, window, after the image's location, add target="new", or "window", within the arrow brackets and that will open a new browser window.
    I have my images attached to seperate html files. Look at www.pnc.com.au/~audiosat/photos/ and when you select the links, they open in a new window. Have a look at the source (right click the photo page, view source) and you will see the layout for the links within the table.

    Hope this is of help.

    Gary.

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    The Unofficial TC&W page
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