I'm looking for specific dates: If my information is correct, the Baltimore & Ohio Southwestern RAILWAY was reorganized some time around the panic of 1893, as The Baltimore & Ohio Southwestern RAILROAD. If so, what official date? What happened to the B&OSW RR? Absorbed into the B&O? Date? Also, was looking at my 2002 Official Guide. I don't see the Baltimore & Ohio Chicago Terminal Railroad listed. Was it absorbed into CSX? Date? John? Anyone? Boxcab E50
Ken, Let me look through some of my books an papers I got on the B&O an see if an what happened to these 2 railroads... I'll post the information here, on what I find...
John- No hurry. But I am curious. Also, I believe I've read that more RRs than just the B&O, had part ownership of the B&OCT? Thanks- Boxcab E50
Ken, Sorry for taking so long, I had alot to look through on the history to this, plus manding the shop, it was all time compressing! Now I'm ahead in the shop, I can get to this for you.... This is what I found on the B&O Southwestern R.R..... The B&O had aquired control of the Marietta & Cincinati in 1882, and had changed the name to the Cincinati, Washington & Baltimore R.R. Then, in 1889, the name was changed to the Baltimore & Ohio Southwestern R.R. This corperation was still in existance, by 1964, but the B&O, operated it through stock control. In 1893 the B&O SW R.R. absorbed the Ohio & Mississippi, giving it a through line to St. Louis. On July 1, 1900, the B&O began the operation of the B&O SWR.R. as part of the parent systen, and renumbered its locomotives into the B&O series. This all I can find so far, Looks like July 1, 1900 was the date! As for the Baltimore & Ohio Chicago Terminal R.R. This is what I found.... Danial Willard became president of the B&O on January 1, 1910. Durring his administration, he completed the double-tracking of the main line to Chicago, VIA Pittsburgh: built the Magnolia Cut-Off: installed a third track over the Alleghenies to Grafton: and built a new bridge over the Susquehanna River. In addition, he thought "big" with regard to motive power. The B&O was no longer a orphan in Chicago in 1910, using the tracks of other roads for entry into the Loops Area. Danial Willard became heir to the Chicago Terminal Transfer Co., brought about by the dealings of Oscar G. Murray, his predecessor in office. The Chicago Terminal Transfer Co., was in receivership when it was purchasedby the B&O R.R. in January 1910, and reorganised as the Baltimore & Ohio Chicago Terminal R.R. Co. The B&O assumed operation on April 1, 1910, but under separate management from the parent company. It has been extremely difficult to obtain information on the early steam locomotives of this company. The B&O mechanical Department disclaims any knowlege, saying all records were maintained in Chicago. The Chicago office claims it has no records. As on the B&O, when a particular class of locomotives was retired, all of the drawings were destroyed. The best source of information is in the Summaries of Equiptment, wherein the Baltimore & Ohio Chicago Terminal locomotives have always been listed separately from those of the B&O R.R. Unfortunately, the names of the builders, are often difficult to determine. Again, this is all I could find on the B&OCT R.R, so it looks like the date your looking for here would be April 1, 1910! Hope this helps, for all that I could find! (which, wasn't much!)
John- You betcha! That helps a bunch! If you ever upon info on the question I had, about the Baltimore & Ohio Southwestern RAILWAY being reorganized some time around the panic of 1893, as The Baltimore & Ohio Southwestern RAILROAD, please give me a blast. I'd love to find an official date! Thanks! Boxcab E50
Ken, If I get to a point in all my books an all, an the panic of 1893 is brought up, I'll be sure to post it an all! Glad I could help somewhat.... That kinda makes me wonder too. Why they would want to change that from B&O Southwestern Railway, to B&O Southwestern Railroad..... Interesting, did you find something that spoke of this slight change? I mean really, the ending of "railway" to "railroad" means about the same...
John- I have some railroad paperwork, (train order forms), that definitively shows the different names. Baltimore & Ohio Southwestern RAILWAY, and The Baltimore & Ohio Southwestern RAILROAD. Note use of "The" with the latter.) At one time, I did find a very, very vague reference about this name change. But that info is amongst the notes lost in a recent zip disk failure. Boxcab E50
Interesting Ken! I can say, that the noted use of "The" is from the B&O! The main B&O from Baltimore, they had a way with that an a strong upheld control of using it! But, a good thing to consider an ponder, is the fact that those 2 papers you have, look an SEE if they say where they came from, as in a "department" of such an such. BEING they could have been printed in 2 different places, an the printers (who typed them out) could have made that difference being a "personal" thing from each of the 2 people. And the same for being printed in the same place, 2 different people doing the printing of those papers, at slightly different times, could have also caused that! I'll see what I can find on this, if anything is said about it anywhere. And then come here an post what I find, if anything at all. As its difficult to find anything on the B&O SW R.R.
John- If you'd like, I can scan and send you one jpg for each of the two papers. Dunno if anyone else is that interested. I could post them to RailImages. But maybe that would waste some bandwidth? Boxcab E50
Ken, you can feel free to scan them for me an e-mail them to me using my e-mail address in my signature. I know I'd be interested!
Ken, E-mail checked, got them, an gave a reply to both that you sent! THANKS! I'll let you know what I may find in studing them alittle to see if I can come up with a visable reason for the name differences! As I said in the e-mails tho, ones a telegraph paper an the other is an actual railroad shipping order paper so, that might be the reason for the name differences!
When train orders were first introduced, by the Erie RR circa 1852, there was indeed reference to "Telegraphic" by many companies. By the 1890's, you could see the numbers ("19, 31") being introduced. For a while, some RRs had both numerals and telegraphic printed. Even though many stations still received via telegraph until even after WWII, the words about that were generally all gone in the years just after 1900. Some RR's even used numbers other than 19 or 31. I have examples such as "7," and "17." The terminology used to move trains also evolved. Older use for an extra train, was to tell them to "run wild." Or "run regardless." But those seemed to pose a few problems..... Boxcab E50
