Similar ESU "The detected decoder not supported"

WFOJeff Jun 28, 2020

  1. WFOJeff

    WFOJeff TrainBoard Member

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    I am trying to program a blank 58818 using the Decoder tester.

    Laptop to LokProgrammer reading existing sound files works fine.

    All items hooked up and working fine but just can't get the decoder to be recognized.


    Deleted all programs and downloaded all ESU software again.

    It still cant detect 58818, whether I try to read the blank or try to Perform a complete decoder update.

    Once it gets to reading CV's it shuts down.
     
  2. Carl Sowell

    Carl Sowell TrainBoard Supporter

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    Jeff, you no doubt read my thread and I am, by no means, an expert as you read,

    What version of the Lokprogrammer are you using? Very recently they came out with 5.0.14. When I finally woke up to my stupidity, I found that many LS5 decoders are supported. So, check LP to see if it supports that multi- protocol decoder.
     
  3. WFOJeff

    WFOJeff TrainBoard Member

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    Thank you for your concern and support.

    I actually uninstalled all of my ESU software on my laptop and went to ESU to download the latest versions.
    Date: 16.06.20, Version: 5.0.14.

    I am also wondering if it is the power supply that is a problem-
    • My power supply, serial cable and all other items except the programmer board just flat out disappeared out of my garage sometime last year.
    I have replaced everything but nobody seems to be able to help me on exact power supply specs since ESU does not provide that.
    One guy in the forum mentioned it is a 500mA, I purchased that and have tried it.
    One shop mentioned they thought it was closer to 5mA, Brian suspected there are possible programming errors with a lower level power supply.

    I tried a 1.8mA which is what is hooked up now.

    I hate to just keep buying power supply's unknowingly.

    No one else at ESU seemed to respond or know what power supply is sold with Programmer.

    I hope someone else experienced this and can help guide me.
    Not sure what else to do...is it a bad decoder or bad decoder tester....
     
  4. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Jeff - the ESU power supply is 15V 500mA output
     
  5. WFOJeff

    WFOJeff TrainBoard Member

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    Great input Rick! thank you.

    Looked at both power supply's I have.

    Newly purchased- output spec 12v 500mA
    NCe - output spec 13.8v 1.8A

    Rick, would you suspect the power supply might be the issue with the feedback error?
     
  6. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Yeah, possibly. Want to swing over and try the decoder on my LokProgrammer/LokTester?
     
  7. WFOJeff

    WFOJeff TrainBoard Member

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    Sounds good Rick, be there shortly.
     
  8. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Well, with the standard ESU power supply, everything works as expected!
     
  9. WFOJeff

    WFOJeff TrainBoard Member

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    agree and thank you Rick.

    Still a no go here.

    Going to order a proper spec'd power supply and check again later.
     
  10. Massey

    Massey TrainBoard Member

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    Here is something to consider when using or buying a power supply. The type of voltage and the voltage itself need to be kept at Manufacturers recommendations ALWAYS! The amps can always be more but never less. A power supply (or battery for that matter) will only produce as many amps as asked for by the device up to the limit of it's abilities. So if you have a 15V 5amp power supply, and a load that needs 200mA then you will still have 4.8Amps that can be supplied by the PS.

    On the flip side to that if you have a 15V 500mA PS and you are trying to get 1A out of it the PS will give you 500mA (maybe a little bit more, but not much) and your PS will be working over capacity. This will cause it to overheat trying to supply the power needs. Depending on the device it's powering it could overheat that too. It will at least give poor and or unwanted performance.

    Voltage type matters a lot as well. There are 2... AC and DC. Not all power supplies are rectified for DC and not all devices are AC friendly, so make sure to get that part correct or you may see all the smoke they somehow stuff into these chips.
     
  11. WFOJeff

    WFOJeff TrainBoard Member

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    All good points Massey.

    Once I could identify the proper specs with Ricks original power supply I could go forward.
    Since ESU does not offer that PS I went to aftermarket. Since the 500mA spec is same as I previously bought but (output) DC voltage was only 12v...I suspect it caused programming error.

    Since one of the well known retailer owners very experienced in DCC told me he uses this model with his ESU Programmer, I decided to purchase it = ZIMO 19812 MXULFA Update Module Power Supply - 16V 4.5A
     
  12. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    just to note, that was Bryan at Streamline Backshop. He is a great resource and a TrainBoard advertiser.
     
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  13. WFOJeff

    WFOJeff TrainBoard Member

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    Sorry about that Rick (Bryan), I was worried about saying names and shops if not approved to comment in our forum.

    Thank you for adding that special note in !!!
     

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