PRR GG1 lights

olip Jan 8, 2007

  1. olip

    olip TrainBoard Member

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    Hello,
    my name is Oliver and I'am normaly found at the Z-scale section but my question could not be answered there....


    I own a Marklin PRR GG1 in and want to make the lights more prototypical.
    There are the headlights in the front and rear which could be dimmend for several reasons. To the left and right of the headlight there are two small lights. What color and function to them? Are they read if the loco runs backwards?
    There is also a light at each side of each end (?).

    I found the PRR book of rules but no answer to my question....

    Could somebody help me?

    Best,

    Oliver
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  2. Thirdrail

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    GG1 lights

    I believe what you are referring to are the small lenses in front of the illuminated numberboards on either side of the nose of GG1's. These were originally classification lights. On a normal train they were not illuminated. On an extra (non-scheduled) train, they would have been lit white, while a train with a second or additional section following would have had green lights. But, the Pennsylvania quit using class lights around World War II, so for most of their existence, there weren't even any bulbs in those lights! The numberboards were illuminated, though. :cat:
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  3. rray

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    So if you are a model railroader who wants to put lights in your loco, either white or green or both would be acceptable then.

    It would be acceptable then to have switchable white and green lights in the model.

    One would turn on the white light to signal the train is an extra that is not traveling a normal scheduled route, or green to signal that it is not normally scheduled and there is another train right behind it, like a extra for a sports event or fairgrounds special. :shade:
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  4. pennman

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    Robert, I do believe thirdrail has pretty well sewn that up for you. In all my years of watching PRR/PC I never saw those light working except for a few rare occations. Most of the time the lenses where blacked out.
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  5. SecretWeapon

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    Hey,This should be moved to the Z scale forum,IMHO.
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  6. OC Engineer JD

    OC Engineer JD Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    He knew he would get a better answer here.:);)
     
  7. OC Engineer JD

    OC Engineer JD Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    A buddy of mine got to ride in a GG1 once, and said the throttle had like 23 notches, and each notch had to be racheted to move the the throttle. Some piece of machinery! :)
     
  8. SecretWeapon

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    Good point. I was in one. #4877 was restored & on our property in Hoboken. While in class,our teacher who ran them,took us out to it.
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  9. olip

    olip TrainBoard Member

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    Hello to you all and thank you for your replies.

    Regarding to the different answers I have atached a picture wherein I have added some letters.
    A - Headlight, low-beam, high beam
    - are they both dimmed or only one for low beam and the second added for high beam? If so, which one (upper or lower) is low beam?
    B - white at the opposite end of headlights?
    C - green or white, like B?

    Sorry for my missunderstanding but it seems that this question is not as easy as I thought.

    Best,

    Oliver
    Copyright 2008 Jerry DeBene
     

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  10. SecretWeapon

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    Hey,
    "A" the headlight- both are on together.The headlight switch has 2 settings,"brite or dim".The lights don't work independently of each other.
    "B & C" work together.They are classification Lts.
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  11. BnOEngrRick

    BnOEngrRick TrainBoard Member

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    White would signify an extra train, not on a schedule. Green would signify an second (or third, fourth) section of a regular train. Example, hot passenger train #1 is being run in 2 parts. The first part of #1 runs with green markers, the second part runs behind the first part with no markers. Green markers does not signify that any old train is behind the first one.
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  12. Thirdrail

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    "B" and "C" were not illuminated at all after the early 1940's on the PRR. There were no bulbs in them. So, to be prototypical, they should NOT be lit. :shade:
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  13. olip

    olip TrainBoard Member

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    Hello and thanks to you all!

    There is one last (hopefully) question:
    Are the marker lights (if used) are lit at the end of the direction in which the loco runs or are they lit at both ends, independent of the locos direction?

    Best,

    Oliver
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  14. pennman

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    To be honest I dont remeber any of thembeing lit ever. But from seeing other Pennsy engines I would assume ( bad word) but the front would be lit in the direction of travel.
    Tony
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  15. BnOEngrRick

    BnOEngrRick TrainBoard Member

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    Only lit on the leading end.
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