ownership question

Greg Lussier Apr 27, 2005

  1. Greg Lussier

    Greg Lussier TrainBoard Supporter

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    i was wondering how much land does a railroad own around their track? I know this really probably depends but just in general. and how is the selling or buying price usually determined?
     
  2. Flash Blackman

    Flash Blackman TrainBoard Member

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    When the first transcontinental rr was built, Congress, USA, authorized the Espee and UP to own land like 10 miles either side of all the track they laid. (10 miles? Something outrageous like that.) At the end, after the golden spike was driven, they continued to lay track just to get the land. In later years, around 1900, Espee used this land and the mineral rights to drill for oil and power their engines with it. Espee was completely converted to oil by 1905. Signal Hill oil was discovered in California in 1903. Only the New Mexico sunset route did not convert to oil and that is because Espee had cheap coal there. The AC9s were especially made to burn New Mexico coal.

    [edit] Also, in the aborted ATSF/SP merger, the ROW Espee land was one of the things that ATSF kept after the merger was called off. It was very valuable.

    Also, Espee was the only major rr in the USA to not file bankruptcy during the great depression of the 1930s.

    Also, IMHO, the only rr in the US richer and more powerful than the Espee was the Pennsylvania rr. In the 40 year decline of the two rr's, PRR shut down before the Espee probably because Espee owned all that land. It made about a 20 year difference. Of course, PRR never had a chance to acquire land in that manner.

    Was that off topic? [​IMG] Too early here!

    [ April 27, 2005, 04:09 AM: Message edited by: sapacif ]
     
  3. YoHo

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    Burlington Northern supposedly owned the Peak of Mt. St. Helens when it exploded. In fact they owned much of the devistated land and sold much of it to Weyerhauser (which is why on the road to the Volcano observatory you see trqact after tract of weyerhauser reforestion with post 1981 dates.
     
  4. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Weyerhaeuser owned a lot of land around Mount St.Helens, prior to the eruption in 1980. A large area was also owned by BN. Which came to them via the old NP land grants.

    After the Big Burp, BN traded the mountain off to the government, for some undevasted lands on the east side. Gaining all kinds of standing timber, and unmined minerals. In return, the taxpayers got an observatory at their expense. And lands that are useless.

    Railroad rights of way are generally no less that 50 feet wide. Twenty five feet from track centerline, outward to each side. (They can be as wide as 100 feet, and more.) There are a few instances where it can be less than fifty feet. Usually when the railroad arrived in an already settled area, and must "squeeze" through. Due to the cost of acquiring lands.

    In towns, where they have more than just a siding to pass trains, then it depends on who platted the site. And what they saw for a future.

    :D

    Boxcab E50
     

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