ATSF Name of emblem/paint scheme

N_S_L Jun 30, 2005

  1. N_S_L

    N_S_L TrainBoard Member

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    Sorry for sounding dumb, but is this "scheme" called something? Warbonnet? Specifically looking for a name, if any, for the front emblem that wraps around the hood.

    After looking at a few of these older pics, my layout may need a few of these blue&yellow locos to break up the green-ness.
     
  2. Triplex

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    Some railroads' emblems have (nick)names. I don't know about the Santa Fe. As for the scheme as a whole, "Warbonnet" is normally used only for red/silver locos. I think this scheme is occasionally called "Bluebonnet".
     
  3. r_i_straw

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    I thought Bluebonnets were the Fs that were silver with blue on the front. I always called those above Yellow Bonnets. There were also Fs in silver and yellow called that too.
     
  4. r_i_straw

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    That was called a cigar band on earlier paint schemes. I guess it would be a cigar band on a yellowbonnet.
     
  5. N_S_L

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    Hmmmm [​IMG] there's gotta be a joke there somewhere [​IMG]


    Seriously, thanks for the info
     
  6. Jim Wiggin

    Jim Wiggin Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    I was told by a Santa Fe modeler/employee that the yellow oval/band was technically the warbonnet, but most people call the red/silver, AmTrak era blue/silver and yellow/silver and later after 1973 the blue/yellow paint schemes were called warbonnets by fans. The cigar band was the freight scheme that came after the Zebra black and silver and before the yellow/blue "warbonnet." BNSF called the emblem on the nose of the heritage 2 locomotives as the warbonnet.
     
  7. YoHo

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    It's confusing, because it's a stretched out version of the classic Santa Fe Cross. I always assumed that War Bonnet reffered to the entire read on the "Face" of the loco although it makes sense that the bonnet would only be the logo.


    In either case, I've seen it reffered to in many ways, I'd just call it the post 72 Yellow and blue Warbonnet scheme. Not too catchy, but descriptive and plus, I always thought calling it the bluebonnet or the yellowbonnet sounded dumb, but that's just me.
     
  8. r_i_straw

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    The true Warbonnet refers to the original Red on Silver paint scheme developed for the new EMD passenger units before W.W.II. It was kind of an art deco stylized interpretation of the stereotype feathered warbonnet worn by the plains Indians. The swept back red areas on the side of the cab were like the feathers on an Indian chief. After Santa Fe got out of the passenger business and abandoned the red silver warbonnet scheme, they continued the heritage by painting their freight engines from the old "Bookend" scheme to the new yellow and blue "Warbonnet" Scheme with the yellow representing the swept back feathers on the Indian head dress.
     
  9. atsf_arizona

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    I believe that the term "YellowBonnets" is often used to describe this particular post-1972 Santa Fe freight loco scheme.
     
  10. Alan

    Alan Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Whatever it is called, it is one of my favourite schemes [​IMG]
     
  11. N_S_L

    N_S_L TrainBoard Member

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    I know, I like it too... I mean I love the green/white BN stuff, but this is CLASSY!

    So the pre-1972 is the non-stretched logo but same paint scheme? I need to find some SF history websites/books to check out.
     
  12. YoHo

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    This is the pre-72 scheme.

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    The nose herald looks like this
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  13. r_i_straw

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    Another Santa Fe interpretation of the Warbonnet in this herald.
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    The elongated Santa Fe cross on the nose of the passenger diesels was just a component of the Warbonnet paint scheme. It may have been a representation of the head band part of the head dress. When they applied a yellow version of the nose art to the blue freight F unit the nickname "Cigar Band" was coined.
     
  14. SD70BNSF

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    Another name for the particular paint scheme in the first photo of this thread is "Blondes". But I think they were also referred to as "Bluebonnets".
     

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