The ongoing search for Prototypes for the Concor Standard Boxcar I am looking for 1937 AAR Standard boxcars with a 7 to 8 foot wide door because the main difference between the spotting characteristics of the Concor model and the Intermountain model is the scale 7’6” door on the Concor model, visibly wider than the 6’ door on the Intermountain model, which is much more typical of prototype 40’ 1937 AAR Standard boxcars. I compiled a list of possible roadnames from three sources. 55 prototype roadnames and variations released by Concor on its “40’ Standard Steel Boxcar” at various times from ca 1970 to present (not including obvious non-prototype paintschemes). Of course, I don’t know whether any of these roadnames actually had boxcars like these. That’s what I’m trying to find out. 35 prototype cars from prototype photos of 40’ 1937 AAR Standard Boxcars published in various magazines and books. 77 roadnames and car number series of 40’ 1937 AAR Standard Boxcars compiled on a TT website: http://www.ttnut.com/1937-aar-standard-design-boxcar-survey-t1203-20.html. I don’t know who compiled it or how complete or accurate it is. Collating from these three lists with overlaps yielded 76 prototype roadnames which were either lettered on Concor cars AND/OR for which there was prototype information identifying them as having http://www.ttnut.com/1937-aar-standard-design-boxcar-survey-t1203-20.html THEN I searched those 76 roadnames through the ORER once more for series numbers of 40’ boxcars with doors 7 to 8 feet wide. I reported earlier on the Southern Rwy, Western Maryland, Pittsburgh & West Virginia, Elgin, Joliet & Eastern, Central of Pennsylvania, Western Pacific and West Indian Fruit & Steamship Co. prototypes found. Searching the ORER, I found 24 railroads that boxcars with doors in the 7 to 8 foot range. However, this does not tell me if they were 1937 AAR Standard boxcars. They might be USRA rebuilds or PS-1s or some other design quite different from the appearance of the Concor model. Next, I compared the number series of the cars I identified, with a list of car roadnames and numbers from TTnut.com said to be known 1937 AAR Standards. The ORER for St. Louis San Francisco (“Frisco”) lists #145550-146799 as being 40’ cars with 7’ doors “staggered” (ie. Not centered). The TTnut.com list says #145550-163999 contains 68 boxcars fitting the 1937 AAR Standard somewhere within the series, built in 1938 and 1939, replacing older cars of the same number. So this doesn’t tell us whether the cars that are 1937AAR are the ones with the 7’ doors. A photo would help. I found a photo of SL-SF #146186 from Springfield-Greene County Library. However, they explain that this is a single car with a 6’ door that is within a series of boxcars, in which all the others had 7’ wide doors. http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p00838.jpg http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p01668.jpg http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p01669.jpg Concor’s model doesnot have the same paint scheme as this photo, and is not in the same number series. By the way, Frisco fans can find a lot of pictures and documents at http://www.thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/frisco.cfm SLSF #17577 in series 17050-18549 has an 8’ door, relatively close to the Concor model #01002J. The model has the “Frisco Fast Freight” slogan. http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_M_Z/SG-SL/pages/image040.html IS this a 1937 AAR Standard? It is hard to tell if the seams of the side panels are riveted (sign of AAR Standard) or welded (sign of PS-1). We might be able to tell if we could see the end. SLSF #18087 from the same number series show the end. http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=40418 Its design of ribs and especially the little rectangular impressions on the end just under the roofwalk show that it is a PS-1, NOT a 1937 AAR Standard. One more... 1002P Bessemer & Lake Erie generally matches prototype B&LE #91367 as shown at http://steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/ble91367main.html With 7’ wide door, BUT the prototype has a Superior 7-panel style door rather than the Youngstown corrugated door of the model. Different paint from model B&LE #81308, from a series not in 1954 ORER, but in 1971 ORER, apparently acquired after 1954 though built earlier, with 7’3” wide 5-panel Superior door, 9’9” IH. That interior height would make it a 1932 ARA Standard card. http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/B-BM/pages/image009.html ...still a lot of searching to do...
Even Yet Still MORE Prototypes for the Concor Std Boxcar Concor model #1002M Atlantic Coast Line ACL #24270 photo by Jim Parker on Fallen Flags Series #24000-24488 in April 1954 ORER, 8’ wide door http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl24270jpa.jpg Concor model #1002E Buffalo Creek Buffalo Creek #1773 ( series 1000-1999, 7’ door...) http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-b/bck1773jpa.jpg A somewhat later picture with reinforced side sill, roofwalks removed, ladders cut down. Buffalo Creek #1640 ( series 1000-1999, 7’ door...) http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-277-12708512387_thumb.jpg Concor model #1001D Southern Pacific with large lettering Corcor model #1003Q Southern Pacific “1940s lettering” Current series 100102 (shown below; 1-14001 with MTL coupler Photo of Southern Pacific with unknown number that appears to fit the model... http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_M_Z/SP-SZ/pages/image033.html MAYBE Louisville & Nashville #70223 series 4000-7199 w 8’ door. I can’t really tell from photos whether this is a 1927AAR Standard or a PS-1. It does not appears on lists of “all 1937AAR standard boxcars.” Photo by Richard Smith on fallen flags http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ln/ln007023rsa.jpg Not offered by Concor in this roadname...
PRR “Pretty-much” Prototype for the Concor Standard Boxcar Concor model #1991E with large keystone PRR class X-43c, series 70400-71899 built 1951 by Pressed Steel Car Co. http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_M_Z/P/pages/image116.html This photo has a car with the small keystone in a circle. Non-conformance to prototype: the prototype has an 8' wide door, the model a 7'6" door, hard to tell the difference visually. The prototype has a diagonal panel steel roof, the Concor model a rectangular panel steel roof. PRR #71535 in 1984 on rr.fallenflags, Greg Dickinson Photo Roofwalk has been removed, ladder cut down, and side sill reinforced, giving it some different features from the Concor model. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr71535agd.jpg There are some prototype cars with 7' doors, the X43a class, but they have 12-panel sides, and could probably be modeled more appropriately with the Intermountain 12-panel boxcar.
Concor Except the Door –A Concor Except the Door –A I have been covering prototypes of 40’ 1937 AAR Standard boxcars with doors close to the 7’6” width of Concor’s models. Those seem to be few compared to the vast majority with 6’ doors. So I am now cataloguing the many prototypes for Concor models if we accept the variance in the door- so many I am just going for roadnames with one letter of the alphabet at a time. Concor model #1002N Akron, Canton & Youngstown Close prototype: ACY #3299 1963 photo http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/A-AS/pages/image073.html A 1971 Official Railway Equipment Register lists ACY series #3200-3346 with 40’6” internal length, 10’ inside height, 7’6” door—very close to the dimension of the Concor model, but the style of the door is different. The prototype has a 7-panel Superior style door, as opposed to the corrugated Youngstown style door. The tiny picture of the model in Concor’s 1981 catalog seems to match the paint scheme of the prototype. I missed this prototype when I was surveying cars with doors this size, because I only looked in a 1954 ORER, when the AC&Y had no cars of these dimensions. Concor model #1001T Arcade & Attica This prototype car matches the paint scheme of the Concor model, and the body of the car probably ONCE matched the Concor model except for the door style. However, it has had the roofwalk removed, ladders cut down, and a reinforcement has been added along much of the side sill bottom. http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/A-AS/pages/image123.html The 1954 ORER listed Arcade and Attica as a railroad with NO freight cars in commercial service. However, the 1971 ORER lists ARA series #501-509 wuth 40.6” inside length, 10’6” inside height, and 8 doors doors—but from the picture, they prove to be the 7-panel Superior type. The car has two points of possibly humorous novelty about it. It is an ARA standard car with huge ARA letters on the side of it—but they mean something different. And you could run this car in an operating sessions claiming it is shipping video arcade games, as shown by the large lettering. When someone laughs, claiming that to be fictional, show them the photo! Concor model #1001A Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe “1960” Indian Red, Shock Control. The catalog number indicates this was the first paint scheme in this body type series, a series that ran to over 50 roadnames, plus fictitious non-railroad liveries. The first few catalog numbers when Concor came out with these around 1970 were in up-to-date modern paint schemes with big bold graphics. Tiny letters on the model car read “New 8-67” and “Built 4-51” The car number, ATSF #14638 is for a prototype FIFTY FOOT car with the Shock Control feature, road class BX-81 delivered in 1960. One like this- somewhat longer than the model. 16 panels to the side compared to the models 10 panels. The paint scheme is similar. For once, my own photo. May 1983, Navasota Texas. I looked for 40 foot Santa Fe Shock Control boxcars with the general dimensions and spotting features of 1937 AAR Standard boxcars. I found two classes. BX-78 #16900-16999 rebuilt 1959 from BX-38 boxcars. 8’ doors. BX-83 #17683-17832 built 1963 I shot a photo of a WX-83, a work service boxcar that had once been a Shock Control BX-83. I failed to record the date and location, sorry. It has had roofwalks removed, ladders cut down. Published photos of BX-78s in print pix Santa Fe Modeler 2ndQ 1987 #16929 shock control _Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953_ p.31 ex-BX-78 #16929 Shock Control _Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953_ p.197 2 pix, _Santa Fe Freight in Color-Vol.1_ (Boxcars) p.49 #188299 Shock Control ,color _Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953_ p.198 WX-78 color _Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953_ p.199 pix "Work Eqpt Cars" p.164 Published photos of BX-83s in print pix Santa Fe Modeler 2ndQ 87 p.5 #17683 Super Shock Control,color _Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953_ p.198 The photo I found of the BX-78 class shows a plug door, but published descriptions say these were the exceptions, most had regular sliding doors, 8 feet. I have seen several pictures of BX-83s with the 8’ Youngstown style sliding door. Like the Concor model, the BX-78 and BX-83 have 10-panel steel sides, improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangle-steel-panel roofs. However, the prototypes have straight side sill bottoms, rather than the distinctive “tab” side sills as seen on 40’ AAR Standard boxcars and 40’ PS-1s. I may be motivated tp trim and file off the tabs... So does this model fit the prototype? Is it “prototype enough”? For me, my layout is set in 1957. It is a few years too new. I run it as a car that has just been put into service, stretching the time frame a little. I am not going to change the car number, because it would be too difficult to do that and make it look like a “new” car without complete repainting and relettering. Just my so-so standards. I am only halfway through the letter “A” in Concor models but this is getting long.
Concor Except the Door – "A" part 2 Concor Except the Door –A part 2 These are prototypes for Concor N scale “Standard Boxcar” models except that the models generally have wider doors than the prototype. Concor produced Santa Fe boxcars with 7 different name train slogans. Concor model #1002K Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe –Grand Canyon Line Concor model #1003A Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe -The Scout Concor model #1003B Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe -The Chief Concor model #1003C Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe -Super Chief Concor model #1003D Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe -El Capitan Concor model #1003E Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe –The San Francisco Chief Concor model #1003F Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe –The Texas Chief The bodies of the Concor models closely match six classes of Santa Fe 40’ AAR Standard boxcars, the BX-26, -27, -34, -37, 43, and -44, the main exception being the 7’6” wide door on the model compared to the 6’ door on all the prototypes. The style of the model door, Youngstown with corrugations arranged 6/7/6 matches the prototype’s 6/7/6 Youngstown style. The “tabs” on the bottom of the side sill match. The Dreadnaught end with ribs in the 4/5 pattern matches except that two classes have a 5/5/ rib pattern. The sides match: 10 steel panels with riveted joints. The roofs match: rectangular steel panel style. Some classes have Duryea underframes, which is hardly visible with the car on the track. Some of these prototype classes are 5 inches shorter than the 10 foot inside height of the 1937 AAR Standard, some are 6 inches taller. Concor’s car height fits the 10’ of the BX-27 of 1937 the closest. Minor fix-its: the Concor cars have metal grid type running boards (roofwalks) whereas the prototypes have wooden ones. Wood style roofwalks available as a part from MTL or scratchbuild them. Also, the Concor boxcars have a half ladder on the right side of the ends which prototypes only had about the time roofwalks were removed... Can be filed off. (Note, I retained the steel roofwalk on the model on the left because although it is based on a Concor "Standard Boxcar," it is detailed as a BX-44 Mt. Vernon variation which had the steel roofwalk.) So much for the body styles. Now as to the lettering, numbering, slogans, maps... I have four different varieties of these Concor Santa Fe name train slogan boxcars- plus duplicates to renumber someday. Here are the road numbers printed on the Concor models. A.T.S.F. #30279 “The Scout” A.T.S.F. #31245 “Super Chief” ATSF #40718 “The Chief” ATSF #104958 “Grand Canyon Line” For the cars I do not have, the illustrations in Concor catalogs are too small and unclear to read road numbers. Hold on to your pocket calculators. This is going to be quite a ride. Concor’s A.T.S.F. #30279 “The Scout” has the number of a Santa Fe class BX-53, with the general dimensions of an AAR Standard 40’ boxcar, but with 12-panel sides, rather than the 10 panel sides of the model. This car number and class would be better modeled with the Intermountain “12-panel” boxcar. The roadname reporting mark “A.T.S.F.” with periods after the letters was used through the 1930s and up until 1943 when Santa Fe stopped painted the periods and made the abbreviation just ATSF. Of course, they did not repaint all the cars with “A.T.S.F.” immediately, so the earlier version would not have disappeared at that date. The build date is marked as built 3-42.” Santa Fe began painting boxcars and refrigerator cars with name train slogans starting in 1940, varying five different slogans: Scout, Grand Canyon Line, Chief, Super Chief, El Capitan. Some of Santa Fe’s standard boxcars were already in service before the name train slogan program began, but the slogans were added to existing cars. The Scout was Santa Fe’s economy passenger train, primarily run with old heavyweight cars. Santa Fe stopped advertising that train in 1947, and replaced “Scout” with “Grand Canyon” when cars were repainted. Santa Fe’s instructions were to paint the name train slogans on the right end of the side of the car, toward the end with the brake wheel, the “B” end. My Concor “Scout” and “”Chief” slogan cars do not follow this rule. The opposite side of the name train slogan cars carries a Santa Fe system map. Santa Fe started painting these in January 1940 with what Santa Fe aficionados call the “curved line map,” with flowing curved lines. The stencils for this scheme proved hard to cut and easy to be damaged. Santa Fe changed to using a map but made with straight lines, beginning in April. Of course, cars with the curved line maps were not changed until they needed repainting. Straight-line map on a BX-37 http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/AT-AZ/pages/image016.html Put all together, “A.T.S.F.,” “Scout” and curved line map means that the paint scheme on this represents a car painted between January and April 1940. That could have been a BX-26, BX-27 or possibly a BX-34. Except that the road number is “wrong.” And the built “3-42” would be appropriate for a class BX-37 car, but that car would not have the curved line map. So the car is a mixture of prototype features not found on the same prototype. Concor A.T.S.F. #31245 “Super Chief” has the “A.T.S.F.” with periods, not painted that way after 1943. Like the “Scout” model, its road number matches a BX-53 prototype, a 12-panel-side car like Intermountain’s model, built in 1949. The Super chief slogan was placed on cars until 1959, but with variations in the lettering, to replace “to California” with “All Pullman Chicago – Los Angeles Streamliner.” The car has the curved-line map applied only from January through April 1940. This could represent a BX-26 or BX-27 painted in early 1940. Link to photo of BX-37 with Super Chief logo. As near as I can read the markings FW-1953, it was repainteds sometime after the “A.T.S.F.” with periods went out. http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/atsf146936main.html Concor ATSF #40718 “The Chief” has the “ATSF” without periods as painted from 1943 on. The 40-foot model’s road number matches a class BX-40, a 50 foot prototype car, built in 1942. The Chief slogan was used 1940-1959 with some variations. The car has the curved-line map, applied only January to April 1940. The paint and lettering scheme represents a mixture of prototype features not likely to be found on any prototype car. Link to photo of car with “The Chief.” Notice that the words “All Pullman” have been painted out from in front of “Chicago-Los Angeles Streamliner” http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf142331ajs.jpg Concor’s ATSF #104958 “Grand Canyon Line” has a road number not found on ANY Santa Fe freight car, according to Listing of Freight Cars by Class and Car Number 1906-1991 compiled by Larry Occhiello. Santa Fe Modelers Organization, Inc., Norman, Ok. and Santa Fe Railway Historical Society Inc., Long Beach, Cal. 12-panel boxcar with Grand Canyon Line http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/AT-AZ/pages/image024.html I do not have Concor’s model #1003D Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe -El Capitan, Concor model #1003E Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe –The San Francisco Chief, or Concor model #1003F Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe –The Texas Chief. The illustrations in Concor’s catalogs are too small to identify the road numbers, so I cannot comment on them. The illustrations do NOT show the map side, so I cannot tell if they have the curved-line or straight-line maps. I suspect Concor used the same art. In 1947, Santa Fe stopped used the straight-line maps and instead used the slogan “Ship and Travel Santa Fe all the Way” on the side of the car opposite the name train slogan. The El Capitan slogan continued in use through the end of name train slogans in 1959. Blurry shot “Ship and Travel” on a “rebuilt” boxcar (not AAR Std) http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/AT-AZ/pages/image014.html Concor model #1003F Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe –The Texas Chief. This slogan came into use in 1948 when Santa Fe added a streamlined train on its Chicago to Texas route. It should NOT have a map on the reverse side, but the “Ship and Travel.” Concor model #1003E Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe –The San Francisco Chief. This slogan was added in 1957 with the inaugural of the Chicago to San Francisco streamliner, and again, it should have “Ship and Travel” on the reverse. Concor’s name train slogan/ map AAR Standard boxcars provide a lot of variety in the “plain old Standard boxcar” and reflect a lot of the history of the railroad. The purist may cringe at some of the mix of elements from different periods. When I get my layout running, I plan to file away the extra half-ladder on the ends, install MTL couplers and run them. I would even like a get a Texas Chief slogan car because I will be running the Texas Chief streamliner and have ridden it several times, at least in its early-Amtrak era form. Still have not finished the letter “A”
Concor Except the Door –A part 3 Concor model 1002M Atlantic Coast Line. This model has most of the features of Atlantic Coast Line 1937 AAR boxcar #20000-27999, built 1941 by ACF. 10 panel riveted sides 40’ 6” interior length 4/5 Dreadnaught ends Rectangular steel panel roof Youngtown corrugated door Exceptions: The model has Concor’s 7/6” wide door, the prototype has a 6’ door. The model has a steel grid style roofwalk, the The model has Concor’s 7/6” wide door, the prototype has a 6’ door. has a wooden roofwalk. Published prototype photo: Rail Model Journal Freight Car Models Vol.II Boxcars Book 1 p.60 Links to online prototype photos: ACL #21011 http://www.protocraft.com/images/286.jpg ACL #20014 http://www.protocraft.com/images/286b.jpg ACL #20158 1950s repaint scheme block-like “ACL” lettering, dotted line near bottom of side (wonder what it’s supposed to indicate.. cut here to kitbash?) http://www.protocraft.com/images/329.jpg
Concor Except the Door –CN Railroads starting with “B” would be next but Concor model #1001S Baltimore and Ohio Timesaver Concor model #1003G Baltimore and Ohio Sentinel Concor model #1002P Bessemer & Lake Erie (POSTED for 7’ door) Concor model #1002E Buffalo Creek (POSTED for 7’ door) Were covered earlier with prototypes that had 7 foot doors close to Concor’s. Going now to the “C”s: Concor model #1001K Canadian National, green leaf Prototypes in CN series #480715-487764 with 10’IH, 6’ wide door : CN #481900 http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/C-CO/pages/image007.html CN #483593 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn483593ajs.jpg Deviations: model has 7’6” wide door, prototypes have 6’. Model has steel grid style roofwalk, prototypes have wood roofwalks. Happy railroading.
Concor Except for the door --CP 1002Q Canadian Pacific I have looked through four old Concor/JMC catalogs, but none have a photo of the Canadian Pacific model. However, except for the 7’ 6” door of the model, the Concor CASTING (I haven’t seen the paint or lettering) matches these Canadian Pacific prototypes: In print: Canadian pacific #223235 blt 1940 10’ IH, 5-5 Drednaught end rectangular panel roof 6’ door Model Railroading February 1989 p.25 Links to web pics: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp252240jpa.jpg http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp222226ajs.jpg
Chattahoochie Choo Choo? Or Boxcar? I have been trying to find prototypes for Concor’s N scale “Standard Steel Boxcar,” including some models released way back in the 1970s. Concor catalog #1001X was for Chattahoochie, or more exactly, Chattahoochie Industrial Railroad. Great name to add some variety to a boxcar in a consist. In 1973, it was priced at $2 when 2/3rds of the cars in the series were $1.75, indicating it had a more elaborate paint scheme than average. The 1978 catalog shows its “Better by a Dam Site” slogan and multicolor herald. It did not appear in 1981 or 1983 catalogs. I could not find any photographs of a Chatahoochie Industrial Railroad 40’ 1937 AAR Standard boxcar. My 1954 ORER shows CIRR #1050-1055 6 boxcars listed as “steel underframe.” This description frequently appears on single-sheathed or double-sheathed wood side boxcars with steel USRA or ARA underframes. Steel-side cars are usually shown as “all steel.” The interior height of these cars is 9’2” shorter than even 1932 ARA Standard boxcars. In 1971, the ORER shows 2 series of 50’ cars with 9 foot doors, and the web has lots of pictures of them. But it’s not this model. Anybody out there know whether Chattahoochie had any 1937 AAR 40’ Standard boxcars? Or any 40' steel boxcars? I couldn’t find them.
Concor Except for the door --“C” Railroads 1002H Chesapeake & Ohio The small illustration in Concor’s 1978 catalog shows a car with a light colored area across the bottom third of a car, darker above- probably brown or boxcar red and large white letters on the right half of the side. The Concor model –except for the wide model door- matches the BODY CHARACTERISTCS but not the paint scheme of these C&O prototypes: C&O #10105 http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/C-CM/pages/image014.html This has the AAR-style side sill “tabs.” C&O 40-foot boxcar #460443 in terminal transfer service at Morrison, Va., January 24, 1976. T.W. Dixon, Jr. photo. http://cohs.org/repository/Archives/cohs/web/cohs-28285.jpg This car has apparently been modified from its as-built appearance with a reinforcement on the bottom of the side sill, in place of the distinctive AAR style “tabs.” C&O 40-foot boxcar #460238 in terminal transfer service at Morrison, Va., January 24, 1976. T.W. Dixon, Jr. photo. http://cohs.org/repository/Archives/cohs/web/cohs-28288.jpg Same story on the side sill reinforcement... Photos in print: #3212 Rail Model Journal Freight Car Models Vol.II Boxcars Book 1 p.61 Chesapeake & Ohio #3648 5-4 Dreadnaught ends, steel roofwalk. 6’ door. Model Railroading February 1989 p.25 I would guess that the Concor model is based on a C&O AAR Standard boxcar as repainted in the 1950s, but I don’t have any photographic proof. 1003S Chessie System The 1978 catalog shows a light-colored car with the silhouette of Chessie the Cheshire cat inside the letter “C” of large “Chessie System” lettering on the left end of the car. I have not found a photo of a 40’ standard boxcar with this scheme, but I have seen similar paint jobs on other C&O boxcars. 1003Y Chessie The 1983 catalog shows a dark car with “Chessie’s” silhouette inside a large light-colored colored circle on the right end of the car, “Chessie System” on left end. Photo of the similar HO model on Concor’s web site. http://www.con-cor.com/YardSale/0001-055402-6_72.jpg This may be the prototype--- after much fading, reinforcement of the side side, and conversion to MOW service... I think this “WAS” blue... http://www.davedupler.com/hvsry/CO910006.jpg at Hocking Valley Scenic Railway I can’t tell about the roof. The 1971 ORER shows C&O had some boxcars with 8’ wide doors—and this eyeballs about that—which would be close to the Concor model door. The “Chessie” model seems to match this prototype closer than any of the Concor C&O models to any of the Concor prototypes. Whether it works for any particular modeler will depend some on the era you are modeling...
“oldrk” found the prototype for Concor #1002H Chesapeake & Ohio blue with bottom 1/4 of car yellow. http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/showthread.php?143158-C-amp-O-N-boxcars Unfortunately for anyone EXCEPT C&O modelers, it is an LCL, a car in special less-than-car-load service. I imagine it stayed strictly on line, so it would not be suitable for use on a layout represednting any other railroad. So this car has a body fairly authentic for late 1930s and 40s and 50s and on, and in three different paintschemes, but none of them suitable for an ordinary boxcar that might be found on any railroad in the 1950s.
Concor Except for the door -- C Railroads Back again after concentrating on my history thesis for a while. Model: Concor catalog #1001C- C B & Q,” bright red” Prototype: Burlington got some new boxcars in 1958, and about the same time, repainted some older AAR 1937 Standard 40’ boxcars in bright Chinese Red. Some links to prototype photos: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cbq/cbq63421amh.jpg http://www.protocraft.com/images/464b.jpg http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/C-CM/pages/image069.html http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cbq/cbq38336akg.jpg This one appears to have been modernized with a wider door, reinforcements on each side of the door, and reinforcement on the bottom of the side sill. Not quite like the Concor model. http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=37577 Another one that would be somewhat like nthe Concor model EXCEPT for the Superior 5-panel door. Would be hard to change out the molded on dloor lof the Concor model. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cbq/cbq62899amh.jpg Concor model, catalog #1003H had an older paint scheme- a brown with script “Way of bnthe Zephyrs”, which would be correct for an older 1937 AAR Std boxcar before 1958. It looked much like this prototype, except for the door width and the roof style. The prototype had a diagonal panel reeof while the model has a flat panel roof. http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/C-CM/pages/image068.html Some published references to these cars, if you happen to have these p;d magazines around: CB&QBoxcar 35000-36999 40' AAR box 1947 class XM-32, XM-32a pix w both corrugaqted and panel doors _RailModJournal_ June90 p.60 pix 36008 w load _RailModJournal_ May91 p.17 Boxcar 60877 40' AAR 10'6" IH _RailModJournal_ Nov97 p.17 Boxcar 61500-65249 class XM-32D 40' AAR 1950 pix in railyard, _MRRing_ March89 p.19
Concor Except for the door -- C Railroads C & N W Concor catalog #1002R Chicago & North Western A small photo of the model in a 1981 catalog shows slogans for both “Route of the 400” and “Route of the Streamliners” on the car. The closest prototype to the body style of the Concor model are CNW 81452-82650 (even numbers only). These prototype have a 10 foot 6 inch inside height, compared to the model’s 10’ IH. The prototype door is 6 feet wide, compared to the model’s 7’6” door. The model and the prototype share the typical AAR standard boxcar “tab” side sill, 7 rungs on the side and end ladders, rectangular raised panel steel roof, Apex steel grid running board (roofwalk). The Intermountain AAR Standard boxcar measures 10’6” IH but has a more modern diagonal panel roof. The Concor car probably appears closers to this prototype therefore. I could not find a photo of the exact prototype. Here is a link to one from series 71000-74398 which is similar, but has a Viking corrugated roof and 8 rung side and end ladders. http://steamerafreightcars.com/images/gallery/boxauto/cnw72710.jpg Another in the same series: http://www.protocraft.com/images/418.tif I have read that the CNW 81452-82650 series carried the slogan "Route of the Streamliners" on the right side & "Overland Route" on the left side, not the same lettering as the Concor model.
late to this thread but it's interesting. the pennsy and C&IM cars look a bit like fowler 40' car or 'fowler clone' with the overall low height and the way the corner braces meet in the middle at the ends. but roof, door and ends are wrong. some of that detail looks more like an ACF howe truss car which do get confused with fowlers but are higher, or if you took the bottom row of planking off you could make a SOO sawtooth, some of which have vaguely similar door and ends. georgia & florida ended up with one of these SOO cars, in bright green with yellow lettering. have a look around here, you can see it: http://public.fotki.com/cddx1/railroad/ ... -f-81.html but my guess is this car really isn't a model of anything, like a lot of N cars.
