N Scale ESU LokSound 5 Micro Next18 Adapter for Kato F2, F3, F7, FP7, F40PH, P42

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  1. BNSF59

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    Sorry for the the inexperienced question. Which ESU decoder will work for Kato N scale F40PH, for use with your adapter?
    Thank you.
    Ed
     
  2. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    58828
     
  3. ns737

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    and the 59828 lokpilot for non sound
     
  4. BNSF59

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    Thank you all, for your help.
     
  5. okane

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    Sorry, a bit confused. Is this also a DCC Decoder that would negate the need for a digitrax decoder?

    Edit - (RTFM Owen) needs a 58828 DCC & Sound decoder as well.
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2021
  6. Wuttermelon

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    Yup, it requires a separate Next18 Decoder as the WVD product is only an adapter board. For clarity, 58828 is not the only decoder that is compatible with the board, it will work with any Next18 plug decoder as long as you have enough headroom.

    And yes I definitely do recommend getting them from TrainBoard advertiser SBS4DCC here: https://store.sbs4dcc.com/WVDESULokSound5MicroNEM662Next18AdapterBoardforKatoF2F3F7F.aspx

    The full manual for the adapter board is available here: https://tinyurl.com/yx8zcz4s
     
  7. okane

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    @Wuttermelon what decoder and speaker would be recommended for the Kato P42? Is it possible to purchase a decoder with the sounds already loaded for the P42?
     
  8. okane

    okane TrainBoard Supporter

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    Does anyone know if the Next 18 adapter board would fit and work in an Intermountain F7?
     
  9. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    No, totally different design
     
  10. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Use an ESU 58828 (Next18 only) decoder (or any of the 5882x series, and unplug the wire connector from the Next18). I've put Soberton 1208 speakers, using the KeyStone Details enclosure designed for it from Shapeways.

    I did this video on a wired install, just before these boards were available (same speaker and decoder as above). I've done a couple, since, with the WVD board, cutting the installation time in half.
     
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  11. Wuttermelon

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    Regarding having a decoder with the sounds loaded for a P42 already, if you purchase both items from SBS4DCC, Bryan will happily load the sound file for you, it looks like the sound file is (S0582), you just need to type that in the sound file box on the decoder page.

    https://store.sbs4dcc.com/ESU58828LokSound5MicroNMRADCCSoundDecoder-NEM662Next18Integral.aspx
    https://store.sbs4dcc.com/WVDESULokSound5MicroNEM662Next18AdapterBoardforKatoF2F3F7F.aspx
     
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  12. drgwspup

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    hey wutter. First, thanks for designing these boards. Its really helpful especially for Sound novices like me.

    I am having one issue. I wanted to simply clip off the standard Kato LED and put in on your board. But I can't get it to work. I reversed the directions of the leads but still no light. Even tried a second Kato LED and no go. What am I doing wrong?

    Thanks Mark
     
  13. RBrodzinsky

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    Assume you've tested the LED and it works.....

    What decoder have you plugged into the board? Do you have it oriented correctly in the socket? Does the motor work, and just not the lights? If sound, does sound work? Have you turned on the headlight by pressing F0? Did you load the settings into the decoder?
     
  14. tehachapifan

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    Everything Rick asks is on point, but I also seem to have extremely vague recall to experiencing something similar when trying to use a particular stock Kato LED on another application (not the Wutter board). It may have had something to do with that particular Kato LED possibly being rated differently(?). At any rate, I may remember this completely wrong, so proceed accordingly.
     
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  16. RBrodzinsky

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    Mark,

    Are you addressing the A units by a consist address, or by a unique road number? If by consist, have you set CV21 to have the decoder respond to consist getting an F0 on/off command (note, the PowerCab headlight button is F0)

    I would try very simple, first — put a short address into the decoder, and remove any consist address.
     
  17. tehachapifan

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    More good questions from Rick. Don't know if this question has been asked yet, but does it come on when in reverse?

    Also, I've had some (pre-V5) ESU decoders (73100's mostly) that either came with an odd light setup or had one once I uploaded a sound file. This would include the front and rear board-mounted LED's flashing as ditchlights (for what reason I cannot imagine) and I think at least one time this occurred with the FO and FOR headlights as well. So, it could possibly be a light programming issue.
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  18. okane

    okane TrainBoard Supporter

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    The New Kato F7 with ESU sound - The Inners, no drop in - Hand Install - Why it costs so much... Kato Kobu doing the installs. Runs great, phenomenal sounds. Is anyone (@RBrodzinsky Perhasp) able to recognize the sound decoder, speaker and enclosure? I am going to order a DC version and do the install myself. This little FA monster cost me nearly 325 CDN the DC version for an A&B was 197.00 CDN

    IMG_20210306_183712.jpg IMG_20210306_183728.jpg
     
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  19. RBrodzinsky

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    That is a LokSound 5 Micro DCC decoder. Might be the ESU sugar cube, or some other 8x12 speaker, don't recognize enclosure

    Why does it cost so much? Decoder = ~$90 street price. Speaker and enclosure ~$8-$10. Labor (including milling down the frame to make room for decoder and speaker; loading correct sound files; testing; etc.) ~$90. Sure, doing your own installs can "save" on the labor cost (we don't charge ourselves), but these aren't fast. And, to properly set up these decoders, you will need either a LokProgrammer (which allows you to also load sound projects) or, at minimum, Decoder Pro. There are over 2000 CVs for these, not easily done with a handheld throttle.

    Doing your own, you can also add a modicum of stay alive capacitance, and, depending on the road, a dedicated Mars light (or emergency red, or both, etc)
     
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  20. BigJake

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    That looks like the family station wagon, all loaded up for summer vacation!

    It's all in there, though; nice job!
     
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