looking at www.reynaulds.com I found the following claim being made with respect to AZL locos (quote) "...Most of the locomotives use Faulhauber brush-less can motors with flywheel..." (end quote) and yet smallest brush-less DC motor in Faulhaber catalogue is 15mm dia (wouldn't fit inside Z gauge loco?), etc... Is it me? or are they talking out of their rear orifice I thought these were coreless dc motors? (different animal) Chris
Chis, the motor on the AZL's are 8mm can motors. The E8 has the 10mm. [ January 09, 2006, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: shamoo737 ]
Chris, AZL motors are indeed coreless can motors. There are no brushes to replace like those found in Marklin and MTL Z locomotives. The motors are maintenance free. Rob Kluz Distributor American Z Lines
Hi Chris, Welcome to Trainboard! I am very happy with the running of my AZL locomotives. So smooth and quiet, excellent slow speed operation too! -Robert
"...AZL motors are indeed coreless can motors. There are no brushes to replace like those found in Marklin and MTL Z locomotives. The motors are maintenance free..." Rob, thanks. Sounds like you have great design and an improvement on other locos. Just to be clear in my mind (and avoid confusing claims, like those being made by www.reynaulds.com about it being brushless motors) here is a summary as I understand it: coreless - is a type of armature winding without the iron core, resulting in hollow armature. This allows permanent magnet to be mounted inside the coil brushless - is a motor with electronic commutation I believe that the motor used in GP 35 is Maxon 261510 - coreless motor, but definitely also with 5 commutator segments and precious metal brushes (these are indeed fitted for life) Chris
No Reynauld's is wrong. The motors are coreless. The AZL F59PHI actually use a 5 pole, 10mm motor from Mabuchi. I have been very impressed with this motor. It also is quiet and smooth in operations while generating almost no heat. The Maxon's MTL using are another wonderful motor. I am so glad we have these motor choices for Z scale! Rob
Yes the F59PHI weighs lots, like the MTL F7, and although I have never tested it, I bet it can outpull one. I put a DZ-123 decoder in one of mine, and am waiting for the GATS in 2 weeks to run it DCC. I did not know if it is coreless or not, so I turned off all that pulse enhancing stuff in the decoder to be safe. The F59PHI runs very slow, no doubt due to the gearing, but it has a lot of torque, and I wish I could buy more passenger cars to go with my Surfliner set, as I already have 2 engines for it. -Robert
go to www.maxonmotor.com look for >products>catalogue>Technology - short and to the point (.pdf file) or a lot of other info depending how deep and scientific you want to get Chris
Faulhaber makes motors down to 6mm: http://www.faulhaber-group.com/servlet/com.itmr.waw.servlet.Anzeige?fremdaufruf=ja&kdid=40929&sprachid=1&htdigurl=/n167866/i86089.html
"...Faulhaber makes motors down to 6mm..." yeap, have a look at this motor being used in Z loco http://www.die-minilok.de/minilok/start.htm click on the picture of V20 loco and go down to the bottom of the page - great detail pictures Chris ps other manufacturers (eg Maxon) are also doing 6mm dia versions of their DC motors
