Look Ma, no ties!!!

Ed M Jan 11, 2006

  1. Ed M

    Ed M Passed away May 2012 In Memoriam

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    A misplaced post about ballasting over on The Ready Track got me thinking (don't ask me how) about a shot I took a year and a half ago when I was riding a passenger train over the rough line between Oaxaca, Oax and Cuicatlan, Oax in Mexico (passenger service no longer exists on that line).

    Here's a shot of the line in one section. This is in an area of frequent slides, so they've obviously just shoveled the loose dirt and rocks off the track to get it open for traffic. There's probably (okay, maybe there's) some ballast down there under the dirt. And probably ties too, if they haven't rotted out.

    Anyway, though I'd challenge you guys to come up with some shots of poorly maintained track. It ought to be something that's still in service, no fair posting abandoned lines.

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    Regards

    Ed
     
  2. chessie

    chessie TrainBoard Supporter

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    Maybe ties are overrated??? [​IMG]

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  3. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Have I got some stuff for you!

    In between Tunnel 30, and east Rollins:

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  4. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Just outside Tunnel 5's west portal:

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  5. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Yes, these are a real Class 1 mainline!
    The UP's Moffat Tunnel Sub. from Denver-Moffat Tunnel....
     
  6. BNSF FAN

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    Now that's some nice looking track work..... :D :D :D
     
  7. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Mostly N Scale Staff Member

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    This track is still in use. They go very slow.
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  8. Kurt Moose

    Kurt Moose TrainBoard Member

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    Talk about a kitbashed engine!! What is that "thing"?
     
  9. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Mostly N Scale Staff Member

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    GP20D
     
  10. r_i_straw

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  11. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Mostly N Scale Staff Member

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    And here is what happens where there really are no ties under all the dirt.
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  12. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member

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    A CSX Track Inspector told me last year that only one tie in four was required to be in place and in good condition for certification of the 60/50 mph posted speed. :eek:

    If this is true, then why do railroads "waste" money by installing and maintaining the other three ties? Wouldn't this be 300% redundancy?

    I hope you all understand that:
    a. I didn't believe the Inspector, but didn't tell him so, and
    b. I'm very glad that all(!) the ties are in place and in good repair...more or less! ;)
     
  13. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Looks like the locals prefer to use this as a road..... I wonder how many vehicles the trains encounter?

    :rolleyes:

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  14. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    I have my doubts. At those speeds, that would be Class 4 track for freight. If the other three ties didn't meet FRA Inspection Standards, they'd be getting nailed for the numerous defects. Especially at joints....... Sounds more like Class 1 stuff. Or Excepted....

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  15. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    SP deferred maintenance!!!
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    Know what happens when you repeatedly hammer on a chisel? The head of the chisel mushrooms... When you run repeated heavy freights on track that is not maintained well, or has extreme curvature on a heavy grade, this happens:

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    This is NOT snow; it is metal shavings ground from the rails:

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    All shot outside the west portal of Tunnel 2 on the old Moffat Route!
     
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  16. Kurt Moose

    Kurt Moose TrainBoard Member

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    Wow! Doesn't that put the track out of gauge as well?
     
  17. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Was that SP track on a curve? If so, should have had a flange oiler. I'd hate to know of all the wheel wear ongoing! $$$$$!!!!!

    Yes. That would be w-a-y out of FRA tolerances! :eek: Probably closer to Excepted Track, than Class 3 or 4.

    :rolleyes:

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  18. Ed M

    Ed M Passed away May 2012 In Memoriam

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    Boxcab: Looks like the locals prefer to use this as a road..... I wonder how many vehicles the trains encounter?



    Not many, it's more like a foot or burro path. Most (not all) places that line goes are virtually inaccessable by car. At the time of the photo, train traffic was one train (consisting of one locomotive and one coach) every other day. The train ran north on 3 days a week and back south on 3 days. There hadn't been any freight traffic in months. Speed averaged 12 mph. Took us 6 hours to go 70 (+/-) miles.

    Regards

    Ed
     
  19. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Well, I guess that beats walking....

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  20. Hytec

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    Hemi, I was seeing many, many locations with metal shavings like you show that were the results of 30-34 50 mph freights each day before Katrina. Fortunately, CSX is replacing 80-90% of all ties and a fair amount of rail before they re-open the NO&M in three weeks.

    BTW, all that shaved trackage is in the middle of a six-mile long tangent...not a curve in sight.
     

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