Help with the Staging Yard geometry

TrainzLuvr May 21, 2020 at 3:36 AM

  1. TrainzLuvr

    TrainzLuvr TrainBoard Member

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    I've been struggling for weeks now trying to get my staging yard geometry to look ok.

    The track I'm using is Atlas C80 with #6 remote turnouts.

    The West ladder of the yard looks decent, in my humble opinion, but the East ladder is just wonky.

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    The top most track closest to the wall is supposed to be the thoroughfare/main, with two sidings for misc. vehicles.

    I feel that making compound ladders out of Atlas #6 turnouts never feels right, because you have to account for the switch machines mounted on the side of the turnout...

    I must be missing something (glaringly obvious?) and I would appreciate any opinions, ideas, or advice.
     
  2. Point353

    Point353 TrainBoard Member

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    The Atlas "Custom Line" code 80 #6 turnouts lack the side-mounted switch machine.
    You can power them with either of the under-table style switch machines that Atlas sells, or a Tortoise type switch machine, among others.

    https://www.trainworld.com/manufact...essories/code-80-6-turnout-custom-right-2753/

    https://www.trainworld.com/manufact...ies/atlas-2752-code-80-6-turnout-custom-left/

    https://www.trainworld.com/manufact...s/atlas-66-deluxe-under-table-switch-machine/

    [Edited to remove non-advertiser link: Please see TrainBoard Advertiser policy]
     
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  3. TrainzLuvr

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    It's my first time working with Atlas Code 80 track, and was hoping to work with what I have - buying new turnouts is not in the stars for me.

    What I'm really looking for are ideas on whether/how I should re-arrange the East ladder in (some) better configuration.
     
  4. Sumner

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  5. Dave1905

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    If its a hidden staging yard, unless there is an operational problem, like sharp S curves, the look isn't as critical. The difference between the two is one is symmetrical and the other isn't. Some places you have one switch in a row and others 3. If you could rearrange it you could probably make it look like the other end and remove the S curve in the yard body.
     
  6. TrainzLuvr

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    It seems I might have several "mini" S curves in the East ladder, so I was hoping for a more "optimized" look. Not sure if those S curves have any impact.

    Operationally, the look does not matter as people would not be managing any trains here. The run would start from either end of the yard and into the layout room.

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    I'd like to avoid complications of hand-laid turnouts and trying to figure out how to attach solenoids to them, etc. I got bunch of Atlas #6s and flex Code 80 track waiting to be used. I just want to get going and finish it, as I've bemoaned over the geometry for way too long.
     
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  7. acptulsa

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    You're right. The west end looks great. The main bulls right into the middle of the yard and everything gets distributed nicely. It's rather artistic.

    But the main doesn't aim itself at the east end of the yard. The main skirts the edge. Use anything but a simple ladder there, and you waste car parking space, with curves you can't uncouple on and switches too far in. The single ladder would correct for the longer tracks around the curve, and they'd all come out more similar in length. And it wouldn't detract or distract from the compound ladder that works.

    So, are you trying to make the natural situation for a ladder more artistic? If so, you don't seem to be pleased with it. Are you trying to work with existing inventory? Have enough right hand switches?

    That's a major yard. Don't you want switching leads alongside the main for a distance, so switchers can pull cuts of cars clear without fouling the main line?
     
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  8. Sumner

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    I wasn't trying to push hand-laying the turnout. I thought that Atlas had a 3-way but can now only find one in code 55. The 3-way would add length to most of the tracks on that side by eliminating the long gap in that area.

    Nice bench work!!

    Sumner
     
  9. Dave1905

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    Maybe this will help your design. If you look at the two ends, the basic alignment is different. On the left side , it is a "fan", the tracks break out equall from both sides. The single main leading into staging is "pointed" down the center of the yard.

    On the right the basic alignment of the tracks is that of a conventional "left hand" lead, the single track entering rom the right is pointed at the innermost track.

    If you want something more symmetrical, I suggest trying a conventional compound ladder. You are trying to force a "fan" switch arrangement on a situation where the track naturally is a conventional switch arrangement, so it isn't fitting "right".
     
  10. TrainzLuvr

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    I mentioned that this portion of the layout will not be used by operators, so it's more of a parking lot, symbolizing the outside railroads connecting to my railroad.

    Actually, I like the right (West) side, the conventional left-hand ladder arrangement. The setup there looks as if it belongs in that space.

    It's the left (East) side that does not feel right. Whether it's that Y or because it's a fan, or both, something is throwing things off. I'm a visual person and the feeling I'm getting is that it does not jive visually, so everything else might not work well either.

    A more "harmonic" (to me) arrangement is below. Of course, the organic curving of the inner tracks might not be good at all for the rolling stock.

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    I have not yet verified that this is physically doable, so that the "evil" Atlas solenoid motors are out of the way on adjacent tracks, but the individual track lengths are about the same, except for the first 3 inner ones (one of which is thoroughfare/main).

    Another question is can I do away with the rerailers on each track? I put them there because I see many people use them after their turnouts in case of derailments.
     
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    Consider the rerailers as a form of insurance.
    If your staging yard is going to be readily accessible and the engineer will have a good view of the train, then the rerailers might be less necessary than if the yard were in a less convenient location.
    Perhaps, at a minimum, put one rerailer on the entrance/exit at either end the yard.
     
  12. TrainzLuvr

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    Sometimes it really seems my skull's too thick and things won't go through it.

    Sumner suggested to use a 3-way turnout, and Dave1905 to go for a compound ladder. Well...marrying the two suggestions together, we get this beauty:

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    The ladder is short, track appears to flows nicely, adjacent turnouts have good spacing...

    Even though I was considering making a 3-way C80 turnout as I have all the tools and materials, a commercial turnout from PECO is just going to be better in this case. I already placed an order from a LHS and hope to have it early next week.

    Thank you everyone.
     
  13. Sumner

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    I like it and looks like a good use of maximizing the space(y)!

    On the 3-way, I've done 5 now, and when I finished the first I though no more but a week later resumed building them. I had done a number of #6 N scale with fixtures and curved using paper templates, the 3-ways using paper were by far the hardest.



    Even though they checked good with a NMRA gauge and running gauged trucks through them while building them in the test fixture above ( http://1fatgmc.com/RailRoad/Trackwork/page-17.html ) I still had to tweak them a little more running loco's and cars through them. One I kept tweaking and then finally realized the wheels on the loco I was using to test with were out of gauge:(. Now I'm checking the locos before using them.

    Probably a good plan to order the one. Keep posting pictures as it looks to be a great layout,

    Sumner
     
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    The kicker is that I recently purchased a Laser Cutter and also have all the tools and jigs from Fast Tracks to make my own turnouts. The Laser Cutter is not setup yet - I need to build a table for it and also rig some vent to expel fumes outside.

    What's missing is the desire to do anything - I just feel bummed out in general (I'm sure many people feel the same with the current world situation).
    I also recently found out that my neighbour 3 doors down suddenly passed away - from COVID-19. He retired a few years back and we always joked how I'm still working so he could receive his pension. Heck, I was secretly hoping he would be part of my operating crew - I was going to gather a few of the retired neighbours here and keep them occupied every now and then running some trains on my layout. Oh well...
     
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