Hi guys, This year I made a trip out to the CRRM and visited one of my favorite locomotives, the former Georgetown Loop RR #40. However, I have been surfing the web to get more information on the loco and have found absolutely nothing. The only knowledge I am armed with is that Baldwin built them for the Guatemala Ry Co. When I went to the CRRM I made sure to check the side of the cab and found it was designated as a C-22. I'm guessing also that from that designation I can see that it has around 22,000lbs of tractive effort. I would like to one day try and model this engine however I find it hard to do so with such little information. I was hoping that maybe someone had some information on this class of locomotive (specifically the C-22's built for the Guatemala RY). Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Chris
The C-22 designation came from her time at the Loop...using the D&RGW classification system. I it was built in 1920 for the International Railways of Central America (IRCA). It was part of a six locomotive order. All six went to El Salvador...but the IRCA system included trackage in Guatemala and El Salvador. Later, a bunch of 2-8-2s were built for IRCA. The 2-8-2s were used in Guatemala (along with the two ex-Uintah 2-6-6-2s) while 2-8-0s were used in El Salvador. There is an HOn30 thread currently active in the narrow gauge modeling forum with a fine IRCA boxcar model. #40 made the trip north...I can't quite recall when...late '60s I think. Four 2-8-0s came north. #40 and #44 are sisters and where used by Lindsey Ashby on both his Central City and Georgetown Loop operations. Six years or so ago, one was parked next to the office in Georgetown and the other was up on the White Pass. Five years ago was the big, messy split between the Ashbys (operators/restores of the Loop and owners of all the trains) and the Colorado Historical Society (owners of the Loop iteslf)...with the Ashbys shays, 2-8-0s, and rollingstock heading to the CRRM. In addition to #40 and #44, #111 was at Breckenridge (IIRC, she's currently being restored for the Loop). #111 is the largest of the (4) 2-8-0s. The fourth is masquarading as Colorado Central #71 in front of a casino on the south edge of Blackhawk. The real C&S #71 is in neighboring Central City. Here is a clip of an IRCA 2-8-2 on an excursion on the IRCA mainline... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t15_691Rric"]YouTube - Steam in Guatemala part 1 of 2[/ame] That 2-8-2, #204, is the railfan locomotive. Jim Dunlop did a series on the IRCA in the Gazette (early 1980s). There is a nice photo of #44 in the San Salvador yards in 1952. If you like #40...you'd probably also like the Crystal River 2-8-0s (which became D&RGW #360, #361, & #375), as well as the Oahu Railway 2-8-0s. Silverton Northern #34 is also similar. In HOn3, the MDC Outside Frame 2-8-0 is the starting point for any of the above. In On30, the B-man OF 2-8-0 is the starting point. I'm using one of the B-man engines for an Oahu Railway 2-8-0 (which also ended up in Guatemala)...I've converted it to On3 so far. Michael
Hi Michael, Thanks for the great info. I don't think I missed it however, do you know what they were classified as when they were made for IRCA? Thanks, Chris
I don't know the IRCA class. ArtinCA might know as I believe that he has a couple books on it (he told me about them a couple days ago). I think the Baldwin class was 10-26E. Southern Methodist University has an erecting card for 10-26Es ordered by United Fruit in 1919. United Fruit was IRCA's parent company and #40/#44 were ordered between 1919-1921. A word of caution of Baldwin Classes. Five distinctly different designs could all carry the same designation...and could be different gauges! All 2-8-0s were 10-xEs. I can't quite recall, but the 26 is based, at least in part, on the cylinders. Getting the erecting card for #40 would tell you more than any drawing in Model Railroader, RMC, or the Gazette could come close to matching. In fact, the erecting cards are sometimes used to make those drawings and serve as the most authoritative source for as-built information (better than measuring the locomotive). I've used my erecting card of the South Park's 1883 Cooke 2-8-0s extensively (it is something like 6'x3') Collection of Baldwin Locomotive Works records, 1856-1956 A Guide Michael
Nothing to add to the fire as of yet. Your build dates are good and there is a picture of IRCA 44 on page 30 of the Sept/Oct 1982 NG&SLG. I'll have to dig around and see if there is a class listed, since most of the photo's I can get my hands on don't show anything. AR
Hey guys thanks for all the help. I know that you mentioned the Southern Methodist University had an erecting card of one of the 2-8-0's, but do you happen to know where/who I may be able to contact for a look at one of the erecting cards? Or is the best place in the link? Sorry if I misunderstood. Thanks, Chris
Probably the contact page for that library... http://smu.edu/cul/degolyer/contact.htm They'd know pricing info and such. Michael
Great Picture! That's a question I meant to ask. When I was there she was sitting on the siding closest to the street leading into the CRRM. Is she still fully operational at the moment?
To the best of my knowledge #40 is still operational... :tb-biggrin: :tb-biggrin: :tb-biggrin: :tb-biggrin:
That's great to hear! I saw in your signature that you were a lifetime member of the CRRM. Do you hear much about her?
