Designs stolen from thingiverse.com put on Cults3D....

Sumner Mar 13, 2023

  1. Sumner

    Sumner TrainBoard Member

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    I might of found out what happened sometime back but not positive. I think I decided to put something up on Cults a long ways back. In doing so I think I didn't notice that if you didn't indicate on one of the places where you were creating the account that you didn't want them to take items you posted on thingiverse.com and copy them to Cults (automatically by Cults) that anything you posted on thingiverse would be copied to Cults. Confusing???

    I finally figured that if everything I post on thingiverse ends up on Cults that is OK with me as long as some individual isn't doing it and taking credit for the design. If thingiverse.com or Cults at some point ceases to exit at least my work is still up there for others to use. I'd never take the time to put it all up there again and don't have the print files on my site.

    Wonder how many people that download files really realize how much time goes into designing and then sharing what they download in a few seconds?

    Sumner
     
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  2. GGNInNScale

    GGNInNScale TrainBoard Member

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    Bummer, Sumner. As a person who evaluated technical issues (patents, "company private" information, technical publications, etc.) for almost 40 years, this is sad... I did catch two plagiarists in my time- they were banned from publication for life.
     
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  3. sidney

    sidney TrainBoard Member

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    I for one am grateful that you put these designs up for us to use. I do understand just how much time and effort you and others put into these designs.
    I have downloaded a bunch for future builds when ever i get a new place to set up shop. I know others have too,, but don't hear or see much in the way of a Thank You for the designs y'all put out there for free.... Thank Y'ALL for sharing these...............................
     
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  4. Glenn Butcher

    Glenn Butcher TrainBoard Member

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    I decided early on two things: 1) not doing this for income, so not worrying IP too much, and 2) I want to give back a bit from what I find exploring using 3D printing for modeling. So, my model of D&RG #168 is available in a public Github repository:

    https://github.com/butcherg/DRG_168

    It's substantially complete at this point, missing a few details I'm working intermittently. One can download all the OpenSCAD scripts and mess with them, but that's a stretch for most modelers. There are a couple of .zips of .stl files suitable for printing, but right now they're snapshots of the work-in-progress; I need to post a final .zip collection, will do that in the next couple of weeks.

    As I've modeled parts, got me thinking of how to best convey the process/product for the majority of modelers. One thing OpenSCAD supports is the "customizer", which is a way of organizing a script to be customized to different parameters. Thingiverse supports such models; I posted one there of a double-hung window, allows one to make a window with various sash layouts, and also to scale the model for HO, N, O, or other scale prints, as well as inches-to-millimeters to support the majority of printers/slicers:

    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5690155

    Liking to tinker with such, I decided to stand up a collection of such on my personal webserver. Not too hard, installed a copy of OpenSCAD to run from the command line, wrote a perl script to do the web page:

    https://glenn.pulpitrock.net/customizable_models/

    Just a few models available right now: brickwall, clapboard, and corrugated patterns for siding and the double-hung window. I'm working on a station model right now, and I've developed a few other parts I'll add to the list - transom and freight doors, wainscotting pattern.

    I'm doing this because I have a use-case in mind that would let a modeler make structures simply by configuring and downloading parts, then integrating them with a program like Windows 3D Builder, which comes with recent Microsoft Windows versions. I've done a simple trial where I downloaded brick wall and window .stl files and "mounted" the window in the wall, worked rather easily in 3D Builder. Modeling and printing walls in this manner might be an easy way make structures to taste.

    Computer-Aided Design is a long reach for most folk. Just looking for ways to bridge that gap...
     
  5. JMaurer1

    JMaurer1 TrainBoard Member

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    One thing I have noted is there seem to be a LOT more European trains available for 3D printing than US trains. It appears that the Europeans are more willing to share than US designers. Not saying that is a good or bad thing...just a thing. I have seen numerous 3D prints from people/companies that have come and gone and wished that I could have been able to buy the STL file so I could have them to print.

    Example: Several years ago I bought a SP 40' RPO that was absolutely a work of art...it even included a full interior. Due to the brittleness of the resin at the time, I almost instantly broke one of the steps off. What I really wanted was the SP 'south city caboose' which was a modified 40' RPO. I asked if they would consider making one (main difference is the sliding door was plated over), but before I knew it, the person/company that was making the car was gone. Too bad because they really made beautiful stuff, but the resin was just too brittle at the time.

    Currently I'm slowly forcing myself to try and learn Fusion 360 so I can print one or two things that will never be produced any other way (Fn3 cab for NPC 21 - the 'first' cab forward). It's a steep hill to climb, however, but retirement is but 25 days away and then I'll have to come up with a different excuse for not doing it. I have nothing but the utmost respect for those that design and share their designs with others (like Glen above...that D&RG engine is beautiful!). We need more people who are willing to share their talents and they deserve all the credit and respect possible for being willing to do that.

    Printing something that someone else designed and allow others to use FOR FREE is one thing, but people taking (stealing) others work and selling it is another thing altogether. Knowing how hard it is to do...well, some people are alive just because it's illegal to kill them (JUST JOKING!). Stealing is still stealing and it is not right. Thanks to all of you that are doing the right thing(s)...
     
  6. Sumner

    Sumner TrainBoard Member

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    Great choice on what to try and learn. I'm continually grateful that they let hobbyist use it. The following in Fusion are about all I use, know how to use, and in order of which I use the most to least.

    Extrude, extrude, extrude (use it all the time to measure also), various line commands, move/copy, combine, align, construct (various ones), spit body, sweep/pattern (have problems with those), fillet/chamfer, translate and insert canvas.

    If one learns those they could at least create anything I have, because that is about all I know . I did just find translate the other day and wish I would of a long time ago. I really should look at more online tutorials on it. I could probably speed up my work a lot. Nice thing about it is there are usually a number of ways to get to the same place. Also a ton of help online if you get stuck. Here is the one that got me started and use the basics of it all the time and have referred back to i more than once .....



    Sumner
     
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  7. ichoochoochooseyou

    ichoochoochooseyou New Member

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    I found that Pierre at Cults3D was very willing to accommodate me and resolve the situation amicably. It may stem from a genuine difference of opinion on what the CreativeCommons license terms mean. Since these are designs given away for free, I don't see a big issue here. In fact I'm quite happy because Cults3D has given the design a lot more exposure than it was getting on thingiverse and in the future I will put all my models on both sites.

    I'm in the US but my design is for European trains, and as I build the train station diorama I am working on I will make all the models available. It's just a simple ticket machine. My next step is to make it lighted and use printed pieces of paper for the screen and signboard.

    I am using Fusion360 as well. I like it quite a bit.

    https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/various/dutch-netherlands-nederland-ns-ticket-machine-kaartautomaat
    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6222860

    The Thingiverse page is not findable from Google at all from what I can tell, whereas the Cults3d one is prominently featured. Problem solved, design available, all is well.
     
  8. samusi01

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    Fusion: very powerful program. I started using it years ago with my first design and the two designs I was working on yesterday were in... Fusion.

    I would recommend getting familiar with the sketch feature in Fusion, and using it with extrude. Loft is handy as well in certain cases. I'm not nearly as familiar with the surface or mesh workspaces, only venturing into them on rare occasions.
     
  9. ichoochoochooseyou

    ichoochoochooseyou New Member

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    The ticket machine I linked above was done entirely with sketch. It's very powerful indeed for unusual shapes.
     
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