If you look at the Bachmann 4-bay covered hopper, and the same car by some other manufacturers, I'll swear it is the same moulding!! So, with M/T trucks fitted, who could tell if it was Bachmann or not? Like the man says - the whole object is to enjoy your model railroading, and if you are, who cares which make you are running? ------------------ Alan The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale! www.ac-models.com Andersley Western Railroad Alan's American Gallery Alan's European Gallery Alan's British Steam Gallery
hey guys hopefully pics will be posted tomorrow or the next day. also some good pics of a ns operation lifesaver dash 9 ------------------ Norfolk Southern The Pack Mule of Transportation Mo-Pac RULES Heritage N-Scale Group, Joliet, Il.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trekkie: "...no one could homebuild them, so don't pull this stunt. Who is delux anyway, I only deal with Con-Cor and Bachmann. Those are the two leading n scale manufacturers since I got into the supply market." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news to you "trekkie", but makinbacon's HOME BUILT RoadRailers...KICK CABOOSE! Not that I have a major problem with Con-Cor or Bachmann, but if you are getting into the "Supply Market" in Model Railroading, you have ALOT of companies to be introduced to. I don't ever recall hearing it stated that either one of those companies are the "Two Leading" N-scale suppliers. Deluxe Innovations is just one of those MANY that make a higher quality product than Con-Cor or Bachmann would ever hope to make. Don't get me wrong, I have equipment from both of those companies, but it's not in the majority of what I own and operate. Now back to the RoadRailers. Sometimes we have to make something ourselfs because the manufactures are slow at getting it on the market. Many of us that do this (like "bacon", "bnfan99" and myself) are "modern era" modelers. We don't want to wait untill the unit in question is obsolete before we have it on our railroads. So "makinbacon" built himself a set of RoadRailers, as he has stated. I am one of many who have seen them operate. They not only look correct, they also operate extremly well. You'll soon see photo's of them either here or on the "Inspection Pit" forum. Trust me, THEY ROCK BABY! ------------------ RAILROADING-TO-THE-MAX, Burlington Northern/Santa Fe Style! Brent Tidaback, Member #234
All I hear from you guys is this Micro-Trains and Deluxe Innovations. This is still fuzzy to me how you can like them. I was given some Micro Trains and it is not very good quality compared to the cheaper and much more prtotypical Con-Cor. I mean do they do auto racks, 60' tank cars, or even locomotives? When a person can pay $ 8 for a quality Bachmann product or $ 15 for a Micro Train product, use your head which would you choose? Myself, being a supplier do not see the money interst in the more expensive n- scale items. There simply is not the call out there that demands high quality products. Also Kato and Atlas locomtives, what a joke, Bachmann produced the SD40-2 several years ago and did they sell out? No, so Kato will not be happy with this model, simply no money in it. The SD50 that Atlas produced, what a scam, Con-Cor done these and you could not find a more impressive model. The quality was the more than deserved by N scalers. I am sorry but there is just no way in which I can bring myself to ever invest in expensive , non prototypical items to sell or distribute, there is just no market for it. Gary. ------------------ n scale for life. can you smell what the n scalers are doin now?
I am utterly confused by your comments, Gary You surely cannot be serious about saying that Con-Cor or Bachmann are better quality then Kato or Atlas?? As for demand, the demand for Kato and Atlas ALWAYS outstrips the supply! We have all moaned about their limited runs! Of course the Bachmann SD40-2 did not sell out - because it is a very poor model, both in looks and running - I know, I have one, and now I have my Kato ones it will likely be scrapped! I am also in manufacturing and selling of N scale models, and I can tell you that there is definitely a demand for HIGH QUALITY products. The highest quality ready-to-run, prototypically correct, freightcars on the market are definitely Microtrains, ok, so they cost more, but you expect to pay for quality ------------------ Alan The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale! www.ac-models.com Andersley Western Railroad Alan's American Gallery Alan's European Gallery Alan's British Steam Gallery
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gats: Can anyone else spell TROLL? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No Kidding!! This guy can not be real!!!!! [This message has been edited by mdrzycimski (edited 27 June 2000).]
well now can everyone see why i get so sarcastic on idiots who put crap like this on here.trekkie you do have some points though.the sd40-2 was done years ago,i personally dont have any of that bachman crap.and yes con-cor did the sd50's long ago also once again i dont have that crap either.how can you say that con cor and bachman stuff is better quality than micro trains or deluxe innovations stuff.they have sold out on almost everything they make,reason being it ain't crap.n-scalers have demanded for a while now from the manufacturers better quality stuff and now they are all making it.the new stuff from con cor and bachman is getting a lot nicer and it is good to see making better quality stuff.and as long as we are demanding better quality stuff i think we will be getting it.i dont mean to offend those who have the older bachman and con cor engines but as you all have stated that stuff is better off scrapped.if you can find a club or something in your area trekkie pleasae do so and look what the minds of n-scalers can do.we can come up with some amazing stuff no matter what the cost, get ahold of the palatine club they have some of the neatest modules and also some really cool kit bashed stuff.makinbacon, royal blue, maxwell plant and myself get together with them once a year and they have a lot of really nice stuff(not to mention that charlie vlk from kato is in there club)talking to them might clear your head about all af your questions. sorry about the long message but i couldnt hold it in any longer. ------------------ bnfan99
Ok, this horse is dead . Let's move on to more meaningful topics. Like, "Who will be bringing out the new articulated autoracks first?" ------------------ Keep on Track'N Harold Riley www.phcomputing.com
sd75 as a matter of fact i have been working on one to see if they will be easy or not. well theyre not.yes trekkie it will be done and unfortunately using con cor racks. my pics still have not been sent to me on email as someone else took the pics but when i get them the triple crown will be posted.gats im glad to see that you can spell, but this trekkie is starting to tick me off. how can you go on and say that m/t and deluxx are not quality? i have several thousand dollars wrapped up in m/t and deluxx products and have maybe 20 whole bucks in junkmann and oh 60 or 70 in con cor. the sd40 -2 that they done is so unprototypical it isnt funny. well im off the subject but the triple crown can be done and has been done and next is the articulated racks. the nly thing left until i get mine done is figuring out how to simulate the holes in the carsides and finding some sort of diaphram type material for the middle.maybe we can get micro trains to do them as a new release, oh wait a minute we dont deserve them as trekboy states. trekkie reminds me of something everytime i goto the restroom, KLINGONS! ------------------ Norfolk Southern The Pack Mule of Transportation Mo-Pac RULES Heritage N-Scale Group, Joliet, Il.
M'bacon, two weekends ago I saw (from a distance around Daggett CA) a full consist on BNSF lines. Later that weekend (in Beaumont Pass CA) I saw and got photos of NS ones on the UP line. I noticed different configs of these. The NS ones were 2 and 3 units. It seemed the ones on BNSF were 5 units. ------------------ Keep on Track'N Harold Riley www.phcomputing.com
Maybe, trekkie is just pulling all of our chains. He really can't be serious. I will admit to owning some of the spectrum locos, I will also admit to selling them in consignment at my local hobby shop. Even concor would admit that KATO has a good thing going, look who make the chasis for the SW-1500s. But hey if he is serious lets be happy, we need someone to buy our consignment merchandise.
Ah...man, I don't know what to think. Trekkie has a right to his opinion so if he think's he's correct...fine. I have an AB set of Con-Cor (Kato non-flywheel Powered) E-8's, a few Bachmann Plus F units and three Spectrum C/CW40-8's. They run fine but are not the best loco's I own. Trust me, I like to save money too, but the cheapest isn't always the best value. I scraped FOUR Bachmann Spectrum SD40-2's, much to my shugrin. But that's what they deserved, the cutting torch. The only thing I used that remains of them on any train I run is the air-break canisters from the truck frames. I put them on my SF CW41-8's because Bachmann left this detail off. Trekkie, have fun with your stuff. Just don't expect a lot of us to understand why you think the stuff you use is the best. If it's the best for you, then you must be happy. It's just not the best for me. Take care... ------------------ RAILROADING-TO-THE-MAX, Burlington Northern/Santa Fe Style! Brent Tidaback, Member #234 [This message has been edited by Maxwell Plant (edited 27 June 2000).]
sd75mac, all the articulateds are only doubles as far as actually each end is 75% of an actual rack put together in the middle, not sure if that made since. right now the only ones out are the double there are no 5 packs yet. we run these to chicago on a train 28e which is a solid articulated rack train. there are several different names for them like automax which is the bnsf version and kcs has another name. when you see a string of these they appear to be like doublestacks as far as being 5 packs or so. ------------------ Norfolk Southern The Pack Mule of Transportation Mo-Pac RULES Heritage N-Scale Group, Joliet, Il.
Well said Maxwell. I also can not figure you out Trekie, if you are for real. Aside from that. As the Max man said, as long as you are having fun, so be it. I will keep on buying as much Kato and Atlas locos as I can. Rolling stock, MT, Delux, Red caboose and yes, even some cheap stuff. Matt
M'bacon, I haven't got my photos back yet so I can't really say what the NS configs are I saw on the UP line. Maybe this week I'll get them developed. I've been busy play "N" engineer and having a decoder installed in my SD75M. ------------------ Keep on Track'N Harold Riley www.phcomputing.com
sd75mac, i just told you the configuration. 2 racks put together. i know how they are i pull a train of them to chicago out of decatur il 1 to 2 times a week. every one of them are 2 racks put together. they sit so close together it looks like a 5 pack. they are 165' long and 19' tall. depending on the kind of vehicles they the loading varies. Ford uses them for new mustangs and also new explorers. ------------------ Norfolk Southern The Pack Mule of Transportation Mo-Pac RULES Heritage N-Scale Group, Joliet, Il.
Mr. GATS sir,Having been a lifelong resident of the Lower Penisula of the state of Michigan(read that as TROLL!) I resent the fact that you refer to trekkie as being a TROLL! For your information SIR he lives on the wrong side of the lake in the wrong state.If trekkie wants to play with toys while the rest of us buy models it is his right to be misguided if he wants to. P.S. If you want to know them people in the OutBack(upper penisula of Michigan) are called YOOPERS ------------------ Catt!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Catt: Mr. GATS sir,Having been a lifelong resident of the Lower Penisula of the state of Michigan(read that as TROLL!) I resent the fact that you refer to trekkie as being a TROLL! For your information SIR he lives on the wrong side of the lake in the wrong state.If trekkie wants to play with toys while the rest of us buy models it is his right to be misguided if he wants to. P.S. If you want to know them people in the OutBack(upper penisula of Michigan) are called YOOPERS <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I knew this would happen again....OK, he's not talking about Michagan "Trolls", but internet "Trolls". Now lets get back to the Roadrailers guys. ------------------ RAILROADING-TO-THE-MAX, Burlington Northern/Santa Fe Style! Brent Tidaback, Member #234
I was awaiting someone's comment about upper and lower penisula Michigan residents I am aware of Trolls and Yoopers (being ex-Soo territory to a degree) SIR. Of course, I was referring to Internet Trolls, as you know. And the Outback is other side if the bridge at North Bourke on the road to Cunnamulla... aka the Back of Bourke (everyone try that on Terraserver!) Gary. Tongue firmly in cheek. ------------------ Gary A. Rose The Unofficial TC&W page N to the Nth degree!
