Big boy is running!

Trains May 3, 2019

  1. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    59,806
    4,370
    600
    There is supposedly one in the same park with the Big Boy and Centennial. I believe all others were scrapped?
     
    Kurt Moose likes this.
  2. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Staff Member

    17,919
    12,464
    222
  3. Metro Red Line

    Metro Red Line TrainBoard Member

    2,280
    123
    36
    THIS is why I model the Union Pacific. Who else resurrects an iconic large steam locomotive 1/5ths into the 21st Century?
     
  4. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member

    17,709
    4,374
    221
    I wonder if the UP Steam Crew has eyes on the 9000? I wonder if it's resurrectable?
     
    Kurt Moose likes this.
  5. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Staff Member

    17,919
    12,464
    222
    I kind of doubt they will ever take that on. It is not one of the iconic steam locomotives out there, just a very unusual one. Also, I seem to recall that there is some major frame damage to it that would make restoration extremely expensive.
    I believe this is a photo taken by Jack Delano during WWII of one of the 9000s in helper service on Cajon Pass. (the right most locomotive) Library of Congress Collection.
    Helper.jpg
     
    ddm502001, BNSF FAN and Kurt Moose like this.
  6. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Staff Member

    17,919
    12,464
    222
    Well, maybe not. I went back to the original TIFF image downloaded from the Library of Congress and zoomed in as best I could. The engine number on the cab appears to start with a "5" and not a "9" so that would make it a 2-10-2 or TTT as UP called them. Same class of tender though. Still a long honking locomotive.
    2-10-2.jpg
     
    Kurt Moose, BNSF FAN and Kez like this.
  7. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    59,806
    4,370
    600
    Definitely not a 4-12-2 in that picture.
     
    ddm502001 and Kurt Moose like this.
  8. ddm502001

    ddm502001 TrainBoard Member

    106
    102
    16
    Was suggested by a UP Worker here that the diesel was there for two purposes, one as a standby rescue and second as a rolling dynamometer, could inflict quite a significant load on the 4014 using the dynamic and not have a hundred cars behind it.
     
    Kurt Moose and RailMix like this.
  9. CarlH

    CarlH TrainBoard Member

    343
    23
    18
    I was at that park in 2016. The only things there are the Big Boy and the Centennial.
     
  10. Doug Gosha

    Doug Gosha TrainBoard Member

    1,194
    827
    28
    I think they had it hidden behind a caboose.

    :D

    Doug
     
    Kurt Moose likes this.
  11. fitz

    fitz Staff Member

    9,041
    1,139
    123
    I have crawled all over the 9000 in Pomona, long time ago. As far as I know it is the FIRST one delivered to UP. That wheelbase is really long, and I am not sure how rigid it is, there were so many different solutions, none simple, back in steam days. Also, again a far as I know, it is the ONLY survivor of the class.
     
  12. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member

    11,829
    1,739
    148
    Jim, I believe one, or more central driver pairs are blind, i.e., no flanges. This was done so she would not derail or roll rails over into the dirt. Unfortunately this allowed central drivers to move off the rails on sharp curves and lose traction. This, among other things caused the UP to embrace articulation for their heavy freighters.
     
  13. wm-webb

    wm-webb TrainBoard Member

    152
    15
    22
    If they have to run with a diesel, why couldn't they use the E9s or the DD40X ?
     
    HemiAdda2d and BNSF FAN like this.
  14. BNSF FAN

    BNSF FAN TrainBoard Supporter

    4,689
    2,557
    92
    I was wondering the same thing. Seems those units have been oddly absent lately
     
  15. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

    7,832
    728
    99
    That's what I saw. An F3A and E8B unit tied in behind it.
    Those diesels got mixed and matched without consideration to aesthetic appeal.

    I've also noted, on some of my VCR tapes, UP's Challengers and Big Boys with a single F3A unit on the point.

    If you look long enough you will find the prototype for something you want to do on your model railroad.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2019
    Kurt Moose likes this.
  16. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

    7,832
    728
    99
    I don't have the answer.
    I do know they ran the E's and the DD40X for a number of years, I saw the E's come through Southern California. Almost missed them and a good friend sent me an e-mail advising I needed to get down to Colton ASAP. I did and caught them EB on SP's old Sunset Route. Pretty units.

    Thinking, the crews have been so busy working on the Big Boy, they haven't had time for much else.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2019
  17. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

    7,832
    728
    99
  18. fordy744

    fordy744 TrainBoard Member

    170
    114
    14
    On the long excursion, the diesel was there for multiple reasons; 1, as emergency backup due to failure 2, to provide dynamic breaking to the consist

    suggestions that it was there to provide power to the consist I doubt as a SD70 freighter isn't set up with HEP but i'd like to see evidence otherwise.

    Without wishing to be the bearer of bad news; I doubt 4014's tender will be converted to oil as 3985 has been retired, the official line from UP crew is that due to scavenging so many bits off 3985 to get 4014 running it isn't viable... I suspect bean counters have had a hand it too.

    I suspect many of you are aware that UP are making a lot of redundancies, rumours that will extend to steam crew, and i'm sure many of those aggrieved ex employees are even more aggrieved to hear of spending millions restoring non revenue equipment. They are also storing hundreds of locos due to a downturn in carloads and changes in operational practices.

    As well as the above point, factor in the operational issues that brought the end to the 9000s in the first place and that kills any chance of seeing the 9000 in service again.
     
  19. bremner

    bremner Staff Member

    5,042
    2,561
    87
    9000 is displayed in Pomona, CA, and is the only one left
     

Share This Page