Are you a Fallen Flag Railfan/Modeler

Stourbridge Lion Jun 28, 2006

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Which Statement best applies to you...

  1. Railfan of one or more Fallen Flags

    21 vote(s)
    7.8%
  2. Modeler of one or more Fallen Flags

    57 vote(s)
    21.3%
  3. Both a Railfan & Modeler of one or more Fallen Flags

    182 vote(s)
    67.9%
  4. Neither

    8 vote(s)
    3.0%
  1. RailMix

    RailMix TrainBoard Member

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    I didn't get here quite as soon as Rick, so part of the attraction of fallen flag modeling is being able to recreate things that I missed, like steam power on the PM and GTW. At the same time, I find myself attracted to things like RailAmerica and the 20+ patchout schemes seen on Huron and Eastern engines prior to the Genesee and Wyoming takeover along with Brunswick green and gold Detroit and Mackinac C425's. It's because of this and the fact that I like all ages of vintage vehicles (After all, they are the supporting cast for the trains that are our main characters) that I have never been able to settle on one era. (No, I do not mix them all together at once,) but I can't, for example, freeze model time in 1948 to the exclusion of 1955 Fords and Chevys or 1973 Ford pickups. So scrolling the era gives me everything I like and also provides a lot of modeling opportunity in a small space. Just my 2 cents. So, yes I am a fallen flag modeler.
     
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  2. CNE1899

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    Hi,
    I'm new to the forum, but like a couple of others here, I am interested in the CNE. I am particularly interseted in the start-up years, just after the demise of the P.,R.&N.E. but before the N.Y.,N.H.&H. bought the CNE for the Poughkeepsie Bridge. The mainline runs through my town, and it has railway quite a history.
     
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  3. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    https://www.train-orders.com/TOUR/P/PRNE/PRNE.html
     
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  5. Rodeo Joe

    Rodeo Joe New Member

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    Hi folks,

    New to the forums also, both a New Haven railfan and a modeler (trying!)

    Joe
     
  6. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

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    First off Welcome Rodeo Joe. Good to have you on board. Love NH. Just don't model it. Pretty busy trying to keep up with the Western Roads. Although, I buy up NH freight cars, some NH/REA and a mail storage/baggage car or two.

    Question: Here's a GN question for you Sky Blue railfans or model railroaders. Did any of the Orange and Green or Sky Blue passenger equipment ever get as far south as Sacramento or Stockton? Over the Highline down to Keddie Wye primarily hosted by the Western Pacific?
     
  7. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Possibly, but not as a part of any regularly scheduled GN passenger service.
     
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  8. BarstowRick

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    That's what I thought. Maybe an railroad officer's special or they rode in on the W.P. passenger trains but thinking not much else. Found a picture I can't share here, no permission, of a GN Green and Orange livery sitting in front of the W.P. Passenger Station, Sacramento, CA. Just not sure why?
     
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  9. Kurt Moose

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    Possibly in post-Amtrak years in the early 70's once consists got all mixed together.
     
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  10. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Could you post a link?
     
  11. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

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    No and I should of added I can't find it now.
    I was hoping someone else might have a private shot.

    A fellow model railroader and now retired truck driver said he saw GN through Klamath Falls, Oregon. Indicating passenger trains running to and from CA.,. Gualifying them as mostly mail trains with some passenger cars tied on to the rear. After hearing that my interest perked up and I've been about proving the story...or not, ever since.

    Most quotes imply it was a freight line only from Klamath Falls Oregon, to Bieber, Ca and connecting with the Western Pacific at Keddie, Ca. Then down to Sacramento and Stockton.

    Here's where my research started, check out the map. The line down (two of them) to northern California. Something about that just doesn't look right.
    https://www.gnrhs.org/gn_history.php

    My next step in this adventure took me here: https://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr2959.htm

    The last dig found this picture of a GN RPO car at the California Railroad Museum, Sacramento, Ca. Correction, California State Railroad Museum.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/23711298@N07/14459980453

    That doesn't count. I'm looking for a GN Green and Orange livery passenger car in front of either the Sacramento or Stockton WP Train Station. There is some sort of celebration going on. Railroad Days, New Train Service and/or any of a number of reasons to have GN equipment down in the State of California.


    Then, then I found this statement: ""The Great Northern Railway was the second company to reach Seattle doing so in 1893. ... an important connection with the Western Pacific in Northern California. .... 1888 (regular passenger trains began plying the route on July 17, 1889)."" Author is unknown. Here's the link provided: https://www.american-rails.com/great-northern-railway.html
    However, the article refers to completion of the southern extension and joining with WP at Bieber, CA the year of 1891. To prove said quote above, I need a train schedule from that time/era.

    It's no big deal and having fun with it more then anything else.
     
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  12. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    The line between Wishram (originally "Fallbridge"), Washington and Bend, Oregon was not GN. It was Oregon Trunk Railway. OT was a part of the Spokane, Portland & Seattle RY family, which SP&S was co-owned by GN and NP- until the BN Merger on March 2, 1970, but SP&S/OT were always operated independently of their parent companies. SP&S/OT had their own passenger equipment.

    That line was not completed, as I recall, between Bend and Klamath Falls, Oregon, and on to Bieber, CA, (point where WP and GN met), until the late 1920's, but this track was GN, not SP&S, which might seem confusing to some folks. From what I am aware, Bend to K Falls never had a regular passenger service, just mixed trains. These had become "irregular" well before WWII, and were gone before the time frame of modern streamline cars and colors we are discussing here.

    It is possible SP&S would "borrow" some cars, to head south of Wishram, but those would have not gone beyond Bend, in any normal passenger use.....
     
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  13. BarstowRick

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    I figured if anyone knew it would be you. Everything I've looked at aside from the resource links I provided say the same thing.
     

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