Another lights are on but no one is home issue

mtaylor Feb 9, 2011

  1. mtaylor

    mtaylor Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Last year sometime I attempted to install a Soundtrax TSU-1000 sound decoder in my Athearn F59PH locomotive. The decoder was simply just too huge to fit properly but I tried it anyways and I messed up somewhere because I cooked the decoder ($100 plus up in smoke....ouch).

    Fast forward to present, I am again working on my locomotive roster installing non-sound decoders in locos currently with no DCC (will add sound to many of these sometime in the future) and I installed a brand new Digitrax DH163D using the 9 pin connection in the loco. I put the F59PH on the track and the lights worked, I could communicate with the decoder (change directions and control the lighting) but the locomotive would not move. Hmmm I thought myself, this paticular decoder had massived shrink wrap over flow over the connecter area and I peeled some back....perhaps I goofed again. So I decided to try again with another brand new Digitrax DH163D decoder.....same result. So to rule out defective decoders, I re-installed the DCC jumper (9 pin) and placed the loco back on the track and selected the loco via address "0" and the locomotive ran fine.

    At this point I was think I must have two DOA decoders. So I installed one the Digitrax DH163D decoders in an Atheran C44-9W and the loco performed fine. Well what the.....

    So this long winded story brings us to where I am now. The motor and locomotive runs five via DC. When I installed two DH163D decoders, the lighs worked but I could not get the locomotive to move. I have ruled out defective decoders as one of the decoders was installed into another locomotive and performs as desired. If this were a bad wire connection or mechanical issue, then I would think the issue would surface in DC as well. The only wild guess I have right now is that someting on the circuit board fried when I attempted the TSU-1000 install. Right now, it would appear that a drop in decoder is the next option to try.

    Does anyone have some words of wisdom for myself?

    Thanks
    Matt
     
  2. lexon

    lexon TrainBoard Member

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    Get your trusty multimeter out and check for any continuity between each motor contact and the frame of the loco. There should no no resistance. I never try any kind of DCC install in any loco without first checking with my meter.
    I have no idea what the motor looks like in the frame. I do not have any Athearn locos.
    Check and see how much DC current at 12 volts DC with drivers slipping. I would suspect less than 1 amp as it seems that the loco is DCC ready.

    Make sure all wires are insulated so when you put the shell on, nothing will short or pinch a wire against the frame.
    Is the frame connected to either the right or left rail?


    Rich
     
  3. mtaylor

    mtaylor Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Yep I should try the multimeter ....if I can remeber where the heck I put it :). I was doing some more reading on Digitrax's site and they state that their level 3 decoders are designed to cut off power to the motor if a short is detected. The lights will be operational (and controlable) but the loco will not move by design becuase of a detected short. So now I am really suspecting something is foul with the OEM lightboard (perhaps I damaged it when I tried cramming in the TSU-1000 decoder). I think the next purchase for this loco will be a SoundTrax replace board decoder but before I install it, yes I will probe with the multimeter.
     
  4. lexon

    lexon TrainBoard Member

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    I made a mistake I meant to say you will see no continuity. I use mostly the Tsunami.

    Rich
     

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