Another Kato poll...

Ghengis Kong Apr 30, 2018

  1. John Moore

    John Moore TrainBoard Supporter

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    Kato has produced some Hudsons although only Japanese type. So I would wonder whether the driver size and the mechanism overall could be converted.
     
  2. Charlie Vlk

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    John
    Please see my post on page 2 regarding Kato JNR 4-6-4s.
    Charlie Vlk
     
  3. Kurt Moose

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    I'd vote for that Loram Rail Grinder in a heartbeat!! I've never seen that running on a layout, can you imagine simulating sparks from the grinders on that thing?!o_O:eek:
     
  4. John Moore

    John Moore TrainBoard Supporter

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    Thanks Charlie that settles that then.
     
  5. gcav17

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    Still doesn't really answer my question though. Not trying to shame them. Even thi they make the JNR types. Those are completely different. And the new 484 UP loco they made, is completely different to.
    Just makes me wonder why the have not made those but Con Cor did. Or does. Just makes me suspect that maybe there was an agreement on the break up.
    I get the whole timing thing thing for this release. That makes sense. But I am kinda looking at the bigger picture I guess.

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  6. Charlie Vlk

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    When Kato opened up Kato USA in direct competition to Con- Cor, Con-Cor pulled their tooling from Japan.
    There was a time lag to get the products running in China because tooling for gears and other parts common to Japanese production had to be recreated and all the turned parts and other hardware sourced.
    Eventually Kato dropped all US OEM work for competitors and they got their tooling back as well.
    Charlie Vlk
     
  7. gcav17

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    I am sorry Charlie. (Cliche) But I am still having a hard time understanding why Kato never attempted to remake 464s or 484s until they did the UP thing a couple years ago. ( I am talking about american standards. ) We have been belly aching about the lack of those two engines from them for a long time. Yeah bachman makes the 484. But its bachman, right?
    I am happy they have these new ideas about sets but I think we would spend more if they ran these sets under steam power. I am the sets will be exquisite like normal. Not ranting, or complaining. Just looking for some kind of explanation.
    Just how much could they have made if they produced those two locomotives?


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  8. Calzephyr

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    Meanwhile... The current poll has jumped by another 1,000 votes since my last check a couple days ago.

    There are currently 6,450 votes... which seems oddly high to me.

    I hate to say it... but is there possibly someone spoofing emails and voting hundreds of time for the New York Central TCL?

    The current percentages are 44% for TCL (20th Century Ltd), 13% for the NCL (North Coast Limited), 12% for the Twin Cities Zephyr and 10% for EB (Empire Builder).

    All others have dropped a couple of percentage points too.

    It doesn't look right... Russian interference here or just more 'Fake News'...???LOL :)
     
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  9. Calzephyr

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    My last post was at almost 1:00 AM eastern time... the total votes cast were 6450.
    8 hours since then (overnight here) the total votes cast increased to 6562... and the 20th Century Limited got most of those votes... now at 45%.
    While some votes may have come from western US states and Europe... I guess the majority is coming from the Asia and Aussie lands. Somehow it doesn't fit that there are so many NYC fans over there... but... I wouldn't know for sure unless they posted on Trainboard.

    I would expect the Yin Yang monad symbol to be very Asian in character:
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    As opposed to this:
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  10. JMaurer1

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    Unfortunately, if you go into your cookies and clear the two from KatoUSA, it will let you vote again. Clear again, vote again, repeat. If you don't have anything better to do, you can generate hundreds of votes for the prototype you want. Oops, maybe I shouldn't have said anything...SP Lark here you come.
     
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  11. Point353

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    Yet Kato has had ample opportunity over the preceding years to release their "generic" smoothside passenger cars in NP.
    Could NP really be less popular than, for example, the Alaska Railroad?
     
  12. JoeTodd

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    Would be nice if kato did a CSX passenger train. They got the loco already. A few passengers cars. I'd buy that.
     
  13. Calzephyr

    Calzephyr TrainBoard Supporter

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    Oh my... I hope that Kato USA is aware of potential abuse of the poll.
     
  14. Ghengis Kong

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    It's IP based, so it won't matter on the cookies. It's people with ISPs that provide users with dynamic IP addresses that can vote multiple times.
     
  15. wcfn100

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    No, it's not.

    Jason
     
  16. Ghengis Kong

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    Well then I'm not sure what it would be then. I tried the cookie method and try as I might, I didn't alter the vote.
     
  17. nd-rails

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    What's email got to do with it? They're not collecting data except count.
    On another forum it was admitted that the poll only blocks via browser cookies; work around by multiple vote/ voters was to use different browsers. One admitted multiple entries for NCL.

    Rookies mistake on Katos part to not ID IP numbers instead to guarantee unique responses. Or, if they are logging them, [maybe they intend to analyse/ expose and identify multiple efforts and discount them from tally.
    FWIW, dave
     
  18. nd-rails

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    Thats not what 'dynamic' IPs mean. At all.
    Dave
     
  19. Ghengis Kong

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    Then give an explanation.
     
  20. JMaurer1

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    Lets see: I vote, delete the two cookies, reload, and vote again...not IP based. Make sure you reload the page after deleting the cookies.
     

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