ACC or epoxy

Inkaneer May 25, 2006

  1. Inkaneer

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    I know there are different kinds of each but which is best for what?

    For instance:
    1. assembling a cast pewter kit, ACC or epoxy?
    2. building a crane lattice boom using music wire
    3. bonding wood to plastic?
    4. wood to metal?
    5. plastic to metal?
     
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    Flash-

    THAT is a terrific site.
     
  4. MK

    MK TrainBoard Member

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    Awesome and helpful site!
     
  5. Pete Nolan

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    Inkaneer,

    This to that was a great site but a little generic. My answers are from my experience.

    1. This one depends. I've assembled a lot of britannica metal fixtures for ships. I try ACC first, but sometimes the parts won't stay together. A gun barrel in a mount, for example, may be too unbalanced to properly position for ACC. Then I use expoxy, which allows me to position it.

    2. I use a lot of music wire for bridges, cranes, towers, etc. L corners may be plastic or brass. I get best success with thin ACC.

    3. Wood to plastic. I don't like the goopy glues. To glue a wood mast (a dowel) onto a plastic deck I use old-fashioned Testor's tube cement for plastics. It will penetrate the end grain of the wood enough to hold quite well, although it can be snapped off. This is sometimes an advantage as the break is clean, and regluing is easier. I try not to glue wood sheets to plastic sheets. When I've had to, I've used the tube cement or contact cement. It's the same principle--the adhesive will soak into the wood just enough to make a bond.

    4. Wood to metal. Depends on the joint. Usually epoxy. Sometimes a thicker ACC--i.e., a metal rod to a flat surface. The tube cement again works pretty well.

    5. Plastic to metal. Same as 2--thin ACC.

    I've found success with any glue depends on applying the smallest amount of glue that will do the job, especially with ACC. If you have specific questions, please ask. In 45 years of scratchbuilding, I've probably faced it.
     
  6. Len

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    ACC to Epoxy

    Pete
    On the latticework boom made from music wire, I would be tempted to try soldering first. To accomplish the solder job, I would go with my resistance soldering outfit. This keeps the heat at the joint. Keep in mind that I have not tried this so I may be full of it. Have you ever tried soldering steel wire?? I'll bet that brass would be easier.

    Cheers
    Len
     
  7. chartsmalm

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    What in the heck is ACC? I have searched here - the Glue Guru and the internet in general and can find no reference to AACC
     
  8. Inkaneer

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    Think crazy glue. It's the same stuff.
     
  9. MK

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    Another name for ACC is CA. Most in the R/C airplane arena calls it CA. It's instant glue like Crazy Glue.
     
  10. Thirdrail

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    CA = CyanoAcrylate
    ACC= AlphaCyanoacrylate Cement

    Same stuff, one name a fuller description. :shade: :cat:
     
  11. Pete Nolan

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    Len,

    I learned about 44 years ago that soldering steel to brass really doesn't work. I wrecked a prized model aircraft when the brass washer I'd soldered to steel landing gear failed. I've never again tried soldering steel to brass.
     

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