New Atlas B23-7

scott i just read the cracking paint posts, all of them and never once seen where someone said you weren't smart enough to contact atlas. maybe if you would post with a different attitude you might get more accomplished. i noticed on atlas' forum you carried the same attitude, you are going to get a more favorable response with a good attitude than the attitude of how much everything stinks and what are you going to about it. paul graf may have seen your post on atlas and does know about the problems as atlas has rectified them with the sd60's. he could have been very negative and told you to handle it through your local hobby shop where you may or may not get anything accomplished.i am in no way of bashing you but take it from me(because i've been here) this is not good for our forum or this discussion. mitch

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mopac3092:
scott i just read the cracking paint posts, all of them and never once seen where someone said you weren't smart enough to contact atlas. maybe if you would post with a different attitude you might get more accomplished. mitch<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Look at Catt's post on the second page about waranties. It is 3 posts under mine. I am not going to say anything more about this subject.

 

Another reason why I am angry about Atlas is how they cater to modelers who model eastern railroads. I don't have anything againt these modelers. However, when Atlas released a 2nd run on both the SD35 and H-24-66 and not on the SD60 I was upset. I would have liked to have gotten a SD60 in KCS. This is not just me, many modelers who I have talked with in the local hobby shop are upset over this.

 

Caters only to the EAST? I guess the GP30' and 35's that are coming out are eastern roads... They're not. Santa Fe never went any further east than Chicago, IL., unless you include the TP&W days. Like I said earlier, I have no problem with you complaining about what you feel are problems with Atlas Products. That's your right, but keep it calm. Take your problems directly to Atlas if you want to get all fired up, not here, and that goes for EVERYBODY, including me. Like Mitch said, we don't want to go down that road here, been there done that...

 

as i stated earlier scott, he never once said you weren't smart, did he? no! also if you are so displeased because of no western roads, why don't you save the money from 1 engine and buy an airbrush? very few engines that i buy anymore are painted. no one does the mopac. oh atlas did the sd50 and thats it but who else does? it's not hard to get started and you will find it easy to do once you get the hang of it. yes i model the kcs and have done several engines. hey did you complain about those kcs gp30's? what about the mrl gp35 or the bnsf gp35,the bn sd60 and 60m's, the rio grande sd50, what about all the up stuff out there and didn't i see a western pacific gp35 at one time, and all the southern pacific power. aren't these all western roads? kcs is an easy paint job and decal job. i don't see kato doing any kcs stuff either, like sd40-2's and snoots.

 

What I meant was that the SD35 and H-24-66 were eastern road units(with a few exception). You make a point that they have released many units in western roads but those units have just as many eastern roads. Painting a KCS SD60 is not a problem for me since I custom paint many of my UP locos. I just wanted a KCS SD60 because they are seen here mixed in with BNSF units alot. I didn't want to spend my time painting a loco for a road I don't model when I could spent it on a UP unit. Atlas could have done more roads on the SD60 like SP, KCS and EMD red/gray/silver scheme. They could have made more money.

 

Atlas could have done a ton more locomotives in the SD50 series including KCS, CNW, UP, CSX modern paint, CR, SP and a few more, I think 13 roads bought it yet Atlas only did 4 roadnames.
Kevin

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kevin D Mumaw:
Atlas could have done a ton more locomotives in the SD50 series including KCS, CNW, UP, CSX modern paint, CR, SP and a few more, I think 13 roads bought it yet Atlas only did 4 roadnames.
Kevin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know. This is what I am talking about. I would of liked a UP SD50 and a CNW SD50 but I had to paint my own.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scott Siebler:
Atlas could have done more roads on the SD60 like SP, KCS and EMD red/gray/silver scheme. They could have made more money.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I guess you forgot, Atlas will probably do more SD60's before it's all said and done. Just remember, you're still young, plenty of time for you to wait to get what you want from Atlas, Kato and Life-Like. Things are going to get better and better, you'll see. Don't be in such a hurry... YOU have LOTS of time!

 

scott look at the custom paint forum and loo at the emd lease unit i painted there.

 

That is a nice looking unit. Those units used to be the BN units with the tiger stripes. They only had these for a few years before giving them back to EMD.

 

speaking of atlas' screw ups. the bn had ratchet handbrakes instead of a wheel, thanks to the sd35 parts i got the ratchet and replaced the wheel, also put the horn where it belongs and sunshades. what atlas should do is like life like did with the ho sd60 and pack all the detail parts seperate and let the modeler apply them so you can get them where you want them. may take time but at least you won't have to settle for of the shelf and that's all you get engines.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Craig Martyn:
I don't know Art, I have to disagree. In my opinion one C44 could pull a lot more than an Atlas SD60. The SD60's have a tendency (I have noticed) when they have a heavy load to just begin to free wheel, while the Kato -9's will do the same but you can tell that they actually have a little traction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Afraid you are wrong on that one as we have a bunch of grades on our layout ranging from 1% up to 4% and and any one of the 6 SD-60's I have will pull the load up any of those grades when the C44-9W is just spinning its wheels.... As a matter of fact I can usually add 4-6 cars depending on the weight and still get them up the grades. The C44-9W seems to tap out at 11 cars on a 2% grade and the 12th will sit it there spinning... Anyone of the SD-60's will then take that load from a dead stop and pull the grade. No contest on pulling power, but the C44-9W has the Atlas hands down in looks, and running ability other than pulling power.
Art

 

Art,
You must have some good sd60's.At a club meeting last year Maxweel Plant,Royal Blue,and myself put the dash 9 and the sd60 to the test.I thought the sd60 would pull more.Royal Blue on the other hand said the dash 9's would pull better.The layout was 7.5 scale miles around with twists and turns throughout it.
I had 108 Micro-Trains cars on the layout.First I started with 4 sd60's and then went to 3.The 3 engines pulled it ok but when i went to 2 engines they stopped dead in their tracks.We then put on 4 dash 9's the train made 1 loop around they layout then I took a engine off.3 engines made the loop and then there were 2.2 engines made the lopp and then went to 1.and naturally it stalled.So we went back to 2 engines and they pulled the train for quite a while before i took it off.

 

Yeap, I was there! It happened just that way. It was a Beasty of a layout, LOTS of CURVES and because you can never get an N-Trak layout perfectly flat, we had a few grades too. Yes, the Dash 9's will out pull the SD50/60 in the N-Scale modeling world.

HEY ED, it's MAXWELL, not MAXWEEL, knot-head!

In another topic about Bachmann CW40-8's here, we've been discussing their speed and what they can and can't run with. Well, at the same event, different year and layout, I ran a rather LONG TOFC/COFC train. I put the following units on the point. Two Bachmann CW40-8's, two KATO CW44-9's, One Kato C30-7, two Kato SD45's and two Atlas GP40's. NINE UNITS OF DIFFERENT BRANDS, ALL RAN TOGETHER WITHOUT ANY TUG-OF-WARS OR BUNCHING. Yes, it was a big train on a big layout, but I work on my units to get them to run as nice and smooth as possible. This makes them all play well together. Ed, RoyalBlue and I think MoPac-Mitch, were all there to see it. I got a great video of them too!

[ 05 February 2001: Message edited by: Maxwell Plant ]

[ 05 February 2001: Message edited by: Maxwell Plant ]

 

My opinion is that while the details could be improved, at least the B23-7 is represented. I would rather have to do some touch-up to get to the level of detail I want and let the manufacturer spend retooling time and money to do a new model, like SD70MAC, C30-7, or some other unit not common on the market. Sunshades and snowplows are easier than stretching the unit or replacing compartment panels to get a different model of locomotive. If they spent all their efforts improving what they have, we would have very well detailed F9s and GP38-2s but not much else.

Quentin