Working on a Z Scale covered hopper

rray Mar 20, 2005

  1. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    ACF 70 Ton Square Hatch Covered Hopper from the 1940's. Here a couple prelim shots. The paintscheme is incorrect, but I'm still researching it:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    -Robert [​IMG]
     
  2. Alan

    Alan Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    10,798
    460
    127
    Wow! I guess that is in laser cut wood? How have you done the walkways? Would be a good model to add etched brass ladders, walkways and steps [​IMG]

    In Z that is very fine work [​IMG]
     
  3. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    11,140
    261
    135
    I love it. How about a Frisco Robert?

    Charlie
     
  4. Alan

    Alan Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    10,798
    460
    127
    How did we know he would say that :rolleyes: ;)
     
  5. EDModels

    EDModels TrainBoard Member

    138
    0
    23
    Awesome Robert!
     
  6. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    Great news Charlie, I did happen to make Frisco decals this morning, including the tiny Frisco logo in white lettering after researching paintschemes for this car. The only thing I cannot tell from the black and white photo is what color the paint is. It looks like it may be brown, but I cannot tell, maybe mineral red?

    Yes, the whole car is 1/64" plywood, but etched brass roofwalks would be a very much needed improvement. The reason I made it is because I want some grain hoppers, and all of the several people who announced their covered grain hoppers, have yet to actually deliever any, so I choose this model, because it was the first covered hoppers produced.

    Being the first produced, they were used for everything from grain, flour, and sugar, to sand, plastic pellets, and powdered chemicals. In later years, after dedicated grain hoppers were produced, they served for more dirty jobs like sand and stuff. :D

    -Robert
     
  7. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    I finally found the color of the Frisco version of this hopper... black with white lettering, or light gray with black lettering. I know some of the car numbers for the black version, and that's the one I have decals made for, but now I need to find numbers for the gray one.


    This is linked from the Frisco Modelers site:

    [​IMG]
     
  8. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    Well, I did Charlie's Frisco hopper, and there is a corrected GN here:

    [​IMG]

    -Robert
     
  9. Colonel

    Colonel Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    8,721
    1,112
    119
    does this mean Charlie is about to venture into Z scale :D

    Robert,

    These models look fantastic it is hard to believe they are Z scale.
     
  10. Kurt Moose

    Kurt Moose TrainBoard Member

    9,857
    14,324
    147
    I'll take two in GN please!! :D How much?
     
  11. Mike Skibbe

    Mike Skibbe TrainBoard Member

    401
    9
    24
    Have you tried burning acrylic with your desktop machine yet? Might be a better material for the 'metal' prototype cars.
     
  12. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    Actually Mike, I just got some new thin sign plastic in, and cut one and assembled it. The problem with plastic is it tends to melt on the fine detail cuts.

    Jim Manley has the plastic version now. I did however find a method yesterday to hide the wood grain. I sand the plywood with fine sandpaper, then leaving the sawdust in the grain, I sprayed the wood with dullcote, which filled the grain. Still working on that issue.

    Meanwhile, back to plastic... I did discover a real good use for the thin sigh plastic... Car Sides. Yup, I can make more accurate car sides for passenger cars than what the Marklin cars have. :D Need time to make my North Coast Limited train.

    -Robert
     
  13. Mike Skibbe

    Mike Skibbe TrainBoard Member

    401
    9
    24
    Robert-

    Most plastics have the melting problems that you discovered. I assume you are getting a 'lip' on the cutting side from plastic melting.

    Acrylic, however, is much better for laser cutting. It atomizes with the laser, leaving nice, clean cuts.

    It shouldn't cost much more either. Give it a shot!
     
  14. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    That's what I'm using, cast acrylic sign plastic. It is .020" thick, which is the thinest acrylic I can find. It happens to be 2 ply, with a color ply and a white ply.

    It vaporizes well, however the small features I cut causes the plastic to distort in some places, like the thin ribs on the sides of the hopper above.

    I think I can get around the problem, but I need to invest more time in the power/speed profiles needed for such fine work.

    The other problem with this plastic, is gluing it. You must be extra careful not to get any of the solvent glue anywhere you don't want it, because it disolves the plastic so easy, that it's almost impossible to assemble a model without at least 1 or 2 mistakes showing.

    I need to find a solvent base acrylic cement that is thick like gel superglue is. :D
     
  15. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    I made 3 more covered hoppers last weekend, this time in NP as biult by ACF in 1963:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  16. rray

    rray Staff Member

    8,309
    9,437
    133
    I did some more, and I'm into weathering them now too:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    -Robert
     

Share This Page