1. OC Engineer JD

    OC Engineer JD Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Here are some photos of the work I’m doing on a ConCor war baby GS-4 I picked up at a train show. (And a photo of the real locomotive) 32E6D13F-35FE-4D2F-913C-0B8DA05B5A3A.jpeg 055C6162-9DA0-4D5A-A95A-DC046F3CE0F5.jpeg 0DBE8704-C3C1-4C93-8D14-A7A424B4B9F4.jpeg B62D6218-FD81-4B66-B067-38B2B66B548F.jpeg F63AEB3C-4D53-445F-A4D0-54E9BE517DD0.jpeg D5C00983-1C0D-4D5A-947B-98A1CF5DED1B.jpeg C50AD69A-D7A8-4672-B968-D612C3AC3C03.jpeg
     
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    OC Engineer JD Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    9CB970E2-9E43-4114-A217-56F30866DB82.jpeg Actually been working on all my GS locomotives
     
  3. wcfn100

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    The 'War Babies" were GS-6's not GS-4's.

    Jason
     
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  4. OC Engineer JD

    OC Engineer JD Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    I think at one time ALL classes were painted black, with and without skirts, and called war babies. The GS-6s were the only ones built black.
     
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  5. JMaurer1

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    Once upon a time Concor was offering a trade in of old Concor engines (including Rivarossi's) for other engines that they sold. I ended up with 2 CC GS-4's and 2-3 GS-6's. One of these days I'm going to dig them out and run them...if they don't run all that great, I have at least one Kato that could use a GS-6 shell...
     
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    688830E1-2430-4522-B724-64E07D09C55A.jpeg 91CB11EC-C947-4265-B32A-FEE11211C8D1.jpeg FC4ABEF9-88D7-4D7C-B136-F683FB0F66AB.jpeg

    More work done to GS4. Changed cab numbers, added crew, and added Kato piping/blow downs. About all that’s left now is builder plates
     
  7. Challengerphil

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    OC Engineer,
    I love that 'War Baby' ! I think it looks just right, the weathering is spot-on and like the details you've added. It doesn't 'look' n scale which takes some doing!
    Good job!
    Phil
     
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  8. Hytec

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    Jerry, your War Baby is lovely. My only experience with a War Baby was in November, 1945. The CR&IP/SP Golden State had been assigned a War Baby at Dalhart, TX. When we stopped at El Paso, the War Baby uncoupled and went forward to the water jack. I wish I could post the images in my memory. But what 10 year old kid has his own camera. Thanks for your work. :cool:
     
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  9. Massey

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    10 year old in 45... not many if any... 10 yr old in 2021... too many!
     
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    Right on! (y):D
     
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  11. wcfn100

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    GS-6's were called War Babies because they were built during the war.

    Jason
     
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  12. JMaurer1

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    ...and because they were built during WW2, they didn't 'need' the Daylight skirts (metal was being rationed) so they came skirtless. SP was able to convince the war board that the skyline casing was necessary as a 'smoke lifter'. Originally there were 16 engines ordered, but in the end 10 were built for the SP numbered 4460 through 4469. The other 6 were sent to the WP numbered 481 through 486. The WP referred to them as GS-64-77s instead of GS-6s. The WP also installed 'elephant ear' smoke deflectors to their engines as well. By 1953 the WP became 100% diesel so they sold their 6 engines back to the SP for parts but kept the tenders for their rotary snowplows.

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  13. OC Engineer JD

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    Got the Builder plates on..... she’s done 14B3CBF0-2CE8-43F4-99C4-534944A4C87E.jpeg
     
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    As for the GS-4's, during WWII and in the first years after the war some of the GS-4 locomotives were painted black. By 1948 all had been repainted into Daylight colors but in 1949 most were painted black again as they lost the job of pulling the Daylight passenger trains to diesels and had their side skirts removed for easier maintenance.
     
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    Here's the GS-4 that I'm going to start modeling:

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    And here's a link to an EXCELLENT blog (even if it IS HO) by NightOwl (Jason Hill). He builds very scale trains to run on the La Mesa layout in San Diego and this is some additional info about the GS-3 and GS-4 locos including which ones were deskirted:

    http://nightowlmodeler.blogspot.com/p/sp-gs-series-deskirting-dates.html
     
  16. JMaurer1

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    Almost forgot: OC, really nice work!
     
  17. JMaurer1

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    Damn you, now I've fallen down this rabbit hole and I can't get back out.

    All GS's lost their skirts, the majority in 1950. Twelve engines, 4448-4459, kept their skirts until about 1955. In nine cases, all GS-4's, the cab and tender were still painted in Daylight colors although the rest of the locomotive was black...but this was a short lived paint scheme.

    It appears that 4435 was skirtless and black by 1952.

    Another source with dates for the deskirting:

    https://www.urbaneagle.com/sp/GSpaint.html

    and one final page with GS info about 1/2 way down (as well as other SP engines, but all references to models are for HO):

    http://www.modelingthesp.com/Steam_Locomotives/Steam_Locos_IV..html
     
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  18. Onizukachan

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    Nice rabbit hole! I read both those two, too. Shame they both model HO.
     
  19. Run8Racing

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    Not a steam expert by any means, but would my Kato AFT steamer be accurate ??? Over the years I have found skirt removal to provide much better access for maintenance. Guess it worked for trains, too !!! ;)
     
  20. OC Engineer JD

    OC Engineer JD Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Your American Freedom Train is accurate and has skirts its entire tour with the AFT
     

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