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ddm502001 Apr 5, 2019

  1. ddm502001

    ddm502001 TrainBoard Member

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    Was a fair turnout last week for the MoDOC and MODOT discussion forum in Owensville. The Dept. of State Parks was there too as to the Beaufort to Windsor trail on the Rock. Seems there were a number of miscreants as myself with pertinent questions, primarily Money and how this would be funded, expectations of revenues changes and how much impact Off of the KATY and other current trails. Thoughts on the collapsed tunnel number 5? and what of lost revenue to business that would start and not be utilized well enough to stay open.

    Dept. of Parks noted they have ZERO money to do this at present, they can barely keep up on the KATY, thinking was they MAYBE MIGHT COULD offer maintenance and upkeep to Great Rivers Greenway Trails Co. on BOTH. That went over like a Lead Balloon.

    DOC wants little to do with this other than restricting sides access so people do not trash or poop in rough ground with sensitive wildlife nearby. MoDOT was talking of interconnects along Hwys. 19 and 47 for connecting KATY to the Rock for bikers, MORE expenses. Then questions arose on the trestle bridge fire, was any serious damage, to which they excused themselves. A fella that lives by the old Gasconade bridge said appeared the ties and base timbers bolted to the metal structure took the hit, only minor fire contact to steel. Said he walked it a few weeks later, still relatively solid on the wood just charred heavily.

    MoDOT also stated was thinking MAY or MIGHT get the Okie Dokie to try to entice a shuttle service to re-track the roadbed at least to Belle or maybe Eldon for Commuter line and for some minor freight runs(MFA is interested as will likely shut down two feed mills and a fertilizer operation due to the loss of rail service) MFA cited expenses for trucking per ton materials hauled in and out as a potential to realign to rail service.
     
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    Was on Facebook(nicknamed Face Plant) on this last couple days, arguing with the bicyclists who are extoling the virtues of the New Trail. They cannot come up with the same study figures twice or moneys costs or validity of use where when asked pertinent questions as to where they ride now they disappear as whack a moles.

    Got a fella from Diamond Pet Foods to write there as I was, that company would Dearly LOVE to have rail back, trucks cannot get in nor out easily from META MO where have been numerous accidents, lost loads, damaged loads and the haulers able to move less than 2/3 what rail used to. MFA at Meta also would love rail back as they were getting two to three rail cars per week of fertilizers/amendments materials and had grain going out during the entire year where trucks are barely managing 1/2 needed. Feedmill at Gerald is ALWAYS in a bind for material, grain or Midds from the elevators, trucks take all together too long to get there and line up for offloads slowing the process drastically.

    They too would rather see the line restored to limited service freight and commuter as would benefit ALL in the counties along the route not just Cyclists or hikers. We are trying to get others to write the legislature reps to see if can push this.
     
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  3. BoxcabE50

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    I was involved (lived fifty feet from it) with one trail, and have lived very close by two others. One of the latter two is currently being extended through a tiny downtown "business district". They think it will "revitalize" that little core. How? No answer other than pretty drawings of the proposed route, with trees and shrubs. It already has too many under patronized restaurants, bars, etc. There just are not enough people to make it fly as they dream it.

    NONE have ever developed the amount useage, had the impact economically, as delusionalized by supporters. All have caused traffic and parking problems- their own lots and misuse of nearby businesses. Most of the visitors to businesses wanting a drink of water, wanting to use a bathroom, wanting to use a phone. Not to mention some littering, and rude jerks failing to keep pets leashed... The only trails I have ever seen get utilized as daydreamed have been in very heavily populated (urban) centers.
     
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    Good posts here. The same fantasy exists in western NC where the trail lobby wants to tear out an existing 19 Mile branchline from Hendersonville to Pisgah Forest that's been inactive since a paper mill closed on the line. To their credit NS kept the track intact and new owner Blue Ridge Southern has kept it as well. Adjacent property owners want to keep the rails in place too, having no want of strangers wandering close to their homes and land. There are already many hundreds of miles of hiking and biking trails in western NC. Yet here and elsewhere, the trail lobby shows no gratitude and thirsts only for more track to tear out.
     
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  5. ddm502001

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    Great Rivers Greenway opened up some years back taking as many rights of way as could get painting LOGO on the old Bridges and Trestles, they did pave a few in the Downtown area of St. Louis but screamed to high heaven as rains slurried a few into mires and they had not the funds to re-rock and grade others, DEMANDED the State Parks Department take care of that. Did NOT happen, did receive a few donations but nothing of merit until a wealthy donor came forth. Still have yet to see more than a few to a dozen users on ANY of them. Contrary to popular myth, the advent of B&Bs in our area did more to aid Tourism and revenues than the KATY trail, travelers from out state, visitors from local major cities make the trips on Motorcycles or in Cars even in Buses to partake of the Wineries restaurants and the small town ambience.

    Largest issue for the Trails users is convenience stops. KATY has basic Outhouse restrooms at 20 mile intervals so Hikers and a few bikers have been caught doing the Nasty Business in the side ditches, weeds and into Private Property to which they receive trivial fines as the Police try to NOT run them off seeing them as revenue.
     
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