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BarstowRick Jul 19, 2011

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  1. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Adam hit the nail on the head. That's why we're here as mods and admins--that's why Charlie pays us the big bucks.:rolleyes:
     
  2. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

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    Ken,

    I was hinting? My writing can't be that bad...grin!

    Policy: I would like to see the policy reconstructed to allow a week or two to go by before you shut the barn door.

    I do agree that something needs to be done and I hope those who are changing their original posts to gibberish are asked to terminate their membership here at TB. On the flip side, I hope it isn't hackers causing the problem and people are wrongfully terminated. If you get my drift.

    I do post with the intent of resurrecting my posts to illustrate a point Ie., How To's, DCC, Wiring Problems just to name a few. So, yes a post can come back either at my hand or someone else's who thinks it's illustrates a point.

    The idea of requesting through the ! icon is well recieved but still I'd like to be the one editing my own material.

    Just something to think about.
     
  3. Stourbridge Lion

    Stourbridge Lion TrainBoard Supporter

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    Rick,

    You can always Quote your old post and make the needed adjustments yourself too. People reading your topics are more likely to see that adjustment via a new post then having to discover something in the past was edited.
     
  4. Mark Watson

    Mark Watson TrainBoard Member

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    Rick,

    You are still free to control every word you write. If you wish to add a disclaimer, type it up and send it in full to the staff. We'll paste it verbatim into your original post if that is what you wish.

    However, as has been mentioned, a better approach is to include additional information in a brand new post. Everyone interested in that particular thread will see the new post. Very few go back and re-read previous replies and there is no automated notification that says "New information added to old post".
     
  5. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Rick,

    We're not trying to control people. The reasons for this change are clearly outlined above. It should be a very low percentage of posts that need to be edited after a short period of time. If you do need that, we will make the edit(s).

    Charlie
     
  6. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    The above seems very reasonable.

    To others: The problem with wanting to edit your own posts, is we cannot open it up simply to any specific individual. It's all or none. In order to aid a later edit, we'd be in and out, and in and out of the software- Turning it on, off, on, off- After we spent the time to coordinate when, with the party wanting to edit.

    Once you get into longer periods, a week, two, then again the barn door is open.

    Boxcab E50
     
  7. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    And yet another reason to make this change; We monitor all new posts to the site to make sure they are bona fide and not some sort of garbage. We can easily see all new posts in real time.

    However, we have had people (get mad and) go back to posts that are quite old, and edit them from what they said to say some real garbage. This is not something that we notice in real time. In other words, if you edit a post that is one week, one month, one year old, we do not notice that automatically.

    In order to monitor all new content to this site, we needed to make this change. If you edit an old post and totally remove the content of the post and change it to say something totally different, you have added new content to the site.

    We have had times where people message us to show us a post and say, "Have you guys seen this..." And, the answer is usually, "Nooooooo." This change eliminates that problem.

    Charlie
     
  8. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

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    Now I have a better understanding.

    Can I leave my corner and go play now?

    LOL

    Sounds like we have something to work on. Wish I could help.
     
  9. Stourbridge Lion

    Stourbridge Lion TrainBoard Supporter

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    Nope you have to stay there and finish your helix first... ;)
     
  10. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Not until you get my bowl of french vanilla ice cream with diced fresh strawberries atop.... Yum.
     
  11. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

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    I tried to mult-quote and it didn't work for me. Oh gosh another problem to solve.

    LOL

    To the Lionhearted, how did you know? I need to rebuild the top section of my helix. The coal district is down and out until I can replace the last roundy round.

    Ken, aka BoxcabE50, now I know I'm in real trouble with you. Just finished your bowl of ice cream, strawberries and whip cream...yum...is right! Sorry, the Fed Ex driver ate the other bowl...wait...that was supposed to be my bowl.

    Back to my corner.
     
  12. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Mostly N Scale Staff Member

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    Click on the '"+' button on first message you want so that the + sign turns into check mark and then hit the reply with quote button on the second message you want. Then you can trim what is inside each quote to your hearts delight. How come I didn't get in on the ice cream deal?
     
  13. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

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    Got you. I will try that.

    Humm, now we are all in trouble.

    Today, it's hot fudge cake day.

    I wish. Not really, since the diagnose of diabeteius...well...you should all enjoy my share. I'll split it up between you...LOL
     
  14. berNd

    berNd TrainBoard Member

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    For me it looks to be easier to buy a pump gun in the U.S. than to edit my own posts with my intellectual property. Rather schizo!

    I would like to further edit my post in my thread, especially the first one. I also think that the "non editing" policy punishes the "normal" user who wants to deliver good posts and therefore protects the "idiots".
     
  15. SteamDonkey74

    SteamDonkey74 TrainBoard Supporter

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    I don't agree with your assessment, berNd. To buy a pump gun, I'd need to submit to a background check and a waiting period. To get an old post edited later I just need to let a moderator or administrator know what I'd like to do.

    With all due respect, if you don't notice your typographical errors in the first hour then they're probably not that big of a deal. If you have more information to add, you can simply post another reply. What's the problem with that.

    In an ideal world, nobody would be a jerk, and so nobody would go back and screw up threads out of anger or spite much later on (as has happened in the past several times) and we wouldn't have this bit of a safeguard in place now, but we're not living in an ideal world. The mods and admins here are all volunteers as far as I am aware and this small little change will save them hours of having to repair damage done by a few bad actors.
     
  16. YoHo

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    I don't think the appeal to Intellectual property is a good one either.

    For example, it's been stated that you don't retain the right to delete what you've posted. That alone means that in this private domain you forgo certain IP rights.


    On another matter, I HATE the fact that you can't delete your own posts for the same 60 minutes. It means that if I double post, all I can do is edit one of the posts to call it a double post. That is dumb. The same time rules are available for post deletion as there are for post editing. As an Admin of a vB forum I can't think of a good reason to give people the option to remove a post they've decided they didn't want to make for the same 60 minutes.

    Yes, I can ask a mod to do it, but I really just don't see the need for the restriction.
     
  17. berNd

    berNd TrainBoard Member

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    Hallo again,

    two other points:

    - on one hand hand you argue that readers don´t come back to the beginning of a thread, so it is not nescessary to edit older posts. But with this argumentation it is unnescessary to "protect" older posts, because no one reads them...

    - one the other hand, you allow linked images. In my thread all images are linked from my homepage. So if I want to "destroy" my thread, I simply delete my images. To ensure that a thread cannot be destroyed, you have to restrict all linked elements. And what about hyperlinks to other web pages? Can you ensure they will exist forever?

    At last, since I´m not a native speaker it sometimes takes its time until I recognize my misspellings or grammatical faults. So I would like to correct the posts later.
     
  18. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Supporter

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    I realize the stand the administrators are taking here.

    What I don't understand is why we are "All" being punished as opposed to the errant few.

    I do wish you the administrators here would listen to our dissenting voices and allow us more time to correct and edit...on our own. I will write something in a hurry to help a person and come back later to clean it up. Ken, has reminded me I'm a poor writer and he's right. Just give those of us that have difficulties with such a chance to clean up and perform our own edits. That's all we are asking.

    Signing off this thread.

    Rick Howland
     
  19. SteamDonkey74

    SteamDonkey74 TrainBoard Supporter

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    It's about prevention. Until you've spent hours of volunteer time mopping up these sorts of messes you don't really know what a pain it is. The relative inconvenience in asking a moderator to fix your typo the next day is nothing compared to having to do damage control when someone acts maliciously.

    I can't believe we're still discussing this. How are your modeling projects?
     
  20. Mark Watson

    Mark Watson TrainBoard Member

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    If you can accurately identify for us exactly who those errant few will be, I'm sure Charlie will gladly re-enable post editing for everyone else. ;)


    As far as post eidts, I tinhk eeyronve is wrorynig far more tahn ncesesray. TrainBoard is not a pbuliactoin. Selling and graammr is not as imoprtnat as lnog as the geranel masgese is tehre.
     
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