Terrain Input

mightypurdue22 Sep 9, 2014

  1. mightypurdue22

    mightypurdue22 TrainBoard Member

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    Hi guys. I'm looking for some input on the terrain of my layout. Particularly on the left side of the layout (on the plan) near the coal mine. What are your feelings about having hills/mountains between the edge of the layout and the mainline track?

    I'm installing 8-12" tall hills/mountain edges along the backdrop, and I'd like to replicate a this look on the fascia side of the tracks with a 4-5" foothill. When I mock this up on my layout, you really get a sense the trains are traveling through a valley. I'm considering adding a small stream between the tracks and the fascia hill for added interest. The only downside is the view block this creates as the track is at a height of 51" from the floor. That can be a positive or negative I suppose. I do like the idea of having to move to a couple of locations to watch trains pass in a mere 8' distance. It may make the layout seem a bit larger as well. Can anyone provide any input on the positives and negatives of this approach? Thanks.

    Layout Plan - Coal Mine is on the left side
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    Conceptual 3D layout - The actual hills are taller
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  2. jpwisc

    jpwisc TrainBoard Member

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    I like the hill on the corner, but I think the hill directly in front of the coal loadout may be a bit bothersome when switching and uncoupling cars. If you put trees on top of it, it is going to take an awkward reach to get work done.
     
  3. randgust

    randgust TrainBoard Member

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    I think you'd be better off to go just the opposite; drop the hill on the 'inner' side away from the backdrop, like the line was clinging to an excavated shelf on the side of the mountain, with it dropping away from the track. That gives just as good a reason for the "S" curve; following the mountain contours.

    If you want a stream, it can be downhill from the track a bit.

    The real upside on this is photography. With scenery 'below the track' the impact is much better than if all scenery is above the track. I really on did this on a couple spots on my layout, and I wish I'd done much more because the overall impact is so dramatic.

    Your backdrop split is very good, wouldn't change a thing there. But like the man says, working over top of a hill is no particular fun, even for something as boring as cleaning track, let alone switching.
     
  4. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    I like the idea of raised scenery in front. Much different from the open access view we normally see. But only if it will not cause maintenance troubles in the future.
     
  5. Backshop

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    In Model Railroad Planning 2011 issue there;s an article about a layout with mountains on the aisle side of the layout, making a canyon a operator looks down into for the track passing along that part of the layout. Steep wall mountains, at that. You can look that up for ideas.
     
  6. mightypurdue22

    mightypurdue22 TrainBoard Member

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    Having slept on this one, I'm thinking more in line with what Karl and randgust have mentioned in their posts. The railroad rests on top of 2" of foam, so I can carve that away between the track and layout edge to give the appearance of the mountain/hill continuing downward. It's been a while, but I seem to remember tearing out a hill in the past because it caused too much visual interference. Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully I'll have some terrain carving photos to share this weekend.

    Dave
     
  7. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Please do. It would be interesting to see the end result.
     
  8. SNE

    SNE TrainBoard Member

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    I really like your track plan!!


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  9. John Smith

    John Smith TrainBoard Member

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    If the 4 tracks at the back are staging... I would suggest some crossovers before and after the yard so any train can reach any track. Just a suggestion. Otherwise, the track plan looks good. Should be a lot of fun!!! JMS
     
  10. bigslick69

    bigslick69 TrainBoard Member

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    Sent you a PM on your layout. Let me know. Thanks!!
     
  11. subwayaz

    subwayaz TrainBoard Member

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    I really like your layout plan and your work with the planning software is great something I've always had problems with and have never come out that well
     
  12. mightypurdue22

    mightypurdue22 TrainBoard Member

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    Thanks guys. bigslick69 - I sent you a PM as well with info.

    subwayaz - This plan uses the free software SCARM. I've taken a liking to it, and find it effective for planning track layouts with N scale Unitrack. I haven't tried any of its other track databases as of yet.

    Dave
     
  13. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    The terrain you mention is prototypical. At least in Northern Colorado.

    The Edna Mine in Oak Creek Canyon is situated in just such terrain.

    This photo shows Edna Mine nestled in a tight valley:

    http://www.drgw.net/rgn/news-photos/Edna.jpg

    This link has some photos the mine, just scroll to the second post down. http://forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=54556

    The train in the on shot is on the mainline. The main ran right past the mine.

    Post #14 shows the track plan for Edna Mine:
    http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/showthread.php?85957-Prototype-for-Walther-s-New-River-Mining

    Empire Mine is a big flood loader in a valley:

    http://www.vtwi.org/COTrip/071701/empire.jpeg

    Axial Mine is a coal pile over a tunnel, against a hill:

    http://www.vtwi.org/COTrip/071701/axial.jpeg

    Energy Mine is shown here:

    http://www.vtwi.org/COTrip/071701/energy2.jpeg

    I hope that is enough inspiration for you!
     

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