FVM: NS and BNSF Gevo are here!

I see no Cab headlight models on the FVM

So you are off base there.

Instead of complaining, do something about it rather than just shooting off your mouth.

 

Folks,

Let's cool it, here. These are model trains. There have got to be better things to do than lay into one another.

Thanks,
Adam

 

Exactly. We could go back and fourth all day about what X manufacturer "should' have done or "could" have done, but that doesn't change what they have done.

In a perfect world, every prototype would have an identical model that would run excellent, pull 100 cars, and we would all get them for free. That's not the case when you come back to reality, so I suggest everyone make do with what you've been given.

I do encourage everyone to continue to push for road specific details and accurate models, however, complaining that manufacturer XYZ has not done so already is NOT the appropriate way to make that push.

 

Yet you bring up another paradox! How do we "push for road specific details and accurate models" when projects are kept secret and only announced at special events with when we are lucky, pre-production samples shown to the public??? The models have already been put into production all we get to see are how the models are going to look after the fact.

 

I do encourage everyone to continue to push for road specific details and accurate models, however, complaining that manufacturer XYZ has not done so already is NOT the appropriate way to make that push.

-Mark
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Mark,Manufacturers do read the better forums for input and many have change details or corrected a problem they read about and some may even make a reply so,these types of discussions is important but,they should always remain civilized without the needless name calling and rude comments...

I think it speaks well for the members that this discussion remained civil unlike other forum discussions on the same type of topic that can become ugly..

 

I'm confused a little bit...

Was there ever an expectation that the NS units would be correct? I don't think (but I could be wrong) that Matt/FVM ever said they would be prototypically correct. Did he show shells with the correct NS features on them?

-j

 

If it makes people feel less singled out, nearly every model of a Milwaukee Road or Southern Pacific locomotive is also wrong. I can kind of understand Milwaukee Road because it is less well-known and they had a lot of modifications they did in their own shops, but as to Espee it constantly baffles me why nobody seems to really get it right.

This is why, I think, we have a group dedicated to SP modeling in N scale.

 

Apparently this is what has the NS modelers dandruff up that I've talked to is this:
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Quote from the sales pitch on FVM.

A 3 Window version commonly used on the UP and a 4 window version commonly used on the BNSF.
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All agreed a correct cab should have been done for the NS as well.

Maybe we need a vocal NS group in N Scale?

 

Maybe if NS SOLD the way UP and BNSF do they wouldn't have to BE vocal...as it now is, they (meaning most of the better manufacturers) at least try to get it right for their biggest buyers...

 

Jim,I tried to rationalize this out but,can't since its a oblivious detail flaw..

And yes,its very apparent we need a vocal NS group or this type of stuff will continue to happen..

Think of it this way.Take a PRR H9 and remove the belfry firebox-think that will go over will PRR fans? Me either..

 

I guess that's why the BLMA TOP GONS sold so well, huh???

Scott

 

Is anyone going to show us their fix for these units? It looked like this thread was heading that way earlier. I'd love to see the solution.

 

Maybe your just forgot why I said for you look at the FVM website they have all the pieces for an NS correct unit so please pay attention instead of attempting to be hardheaded. FVM and the other Nscale modeler makers put out the fact that; It's going to create these beautiful Gevo's and then don't create the correct unit is a little crazy to say one thing and just throw some paint over and Union Paicfic or BNSF Gevo and call it NS or CSX. Why rush them out if they're not going to see the headlights of the NS Gevo glaring right at them. I love the pair of BNSF units I recently purchase from them. Maybe FVM was afaird of Kato surprising everybody by leading off with NS/CSX Gevo's instead of the UP or BNSF Gevo's. I still love FVM for the quality just make sure most of the details are correct before shipping out for the masses.

 

Folks,

Let's drop it. If you can't think of something constructive to say then just don't post it, please.

Thank you,
Adam

 

I felt the need to remove my own post.

 

For whatever visual shortcomings the NS units might have, I haven't any problem adding them to my roster.

 

Folks,

Spirited discussion is good. Getting irritated at each other about some points on a model is not good. Some view the wrong or missing details as minor; others view them as major. Let's all recognize the spectrum of opinion (and fact) here, and not get too bent out of shape when someone disagrees. Let's also realize that, on a forum, you can't say something with a wink or a shrug as you can in face to face conversations.

I think no lasting enmities have been formed here.

 

I'm not getting any answers to this question, so I'm guessing that there were no promises of a correct NS unit from FVM. I understand that people are disappointed that, thus far, there are no prototypically correct NS GEVO units. However if FVM never said they were going to produce prototypically correct NS GEVO units and there were never any NS correct shells shown at any point, then why did you buy them to start with?

I've been in the situation quite a few times before where I'm not going to be able to get a prototypically correct model of my given road, but I'll still buy the model as it is 90% there and if I'm feeling up to it I'll try and correct it myself. I still think *any* NS GEVO unit is better than none.

I'd be willing to bet if you could get a healthy number of NS n-scale modelers together that would be willing to petition him to offer a different cab unit, you might actually be successful. If you can't find 500-1000 unit sales to throw Matt a bone, then you know the reality that Matt is facing. Matt is a reasonable guy and a huge rail fan. I'm sure he'd be more than willing to listen.

-jamie

 

I know there's alot more NS modelers and other modelers from Union Pacific and BNSF have run thru trains with NS locomotives in the consist will look great for everybody Nscale layout. I believe Matt will handle the Gevo's situation and I'm waiting for a set of them to have along with my BNSF Gevo's units.