Double crossover/signaling

Echo4 Jun 2, 2009

  1. Echo4

    Echo4 New Member

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    I have a double crossover and I would like some info on how to apply proper signaling to it? For signals I would like to use semaphores! If anyone has any info or recomendations it would be helpful. Thanks
     
  2. pjb

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    Term Clarifications and Layout Location of Elements

    Hello:
    Are we to assume that you have a stretch of double track
    with two pair of turnouts that allow trains traveling in
    either direction to switch from one track to the other?
    This is done without any form of "x" crossing of the
    diagonal trackage between the mains?

    Where is this trackage - is it within a yard or some other
    location cluttered with either other surrounding trackage,
    structures, and/or terrain features?

    Are you planning to buy or build the signals and related
    switching interface elements?

    These are all relevant questions because they control
    what you are up to, and how you go about it.
    For instance: a simple double cross over on a mainline
    track in an area uncluttered with any cultural or
    'natural' scenic features, is only constrained by the
    size of the turnouts which is a function of the planned
    speed of train operation. In the real world these
    would run from a twelve up. In our modelled world
    a six would be the base, with a twelve being the
    upper limits of what you can buy preassembled.

    I assume that you are aware that semaphores
    cost more to either build or purchase than equivalent
    color lamp signals. They also are far more complex
    elements as operating units to ammend in order to
    get them to operate on signal bridges, and so forth.
    Since, unlike alternative searchlight, CPS, and
    colored lantern signalling, they cannot be produced
    as solid state units, there will be a tendency for the
    micro-mechanical elements to malfunction from
    time to time in an interlocked group of semaphores.
    Hence, any cumulation of four to eight blades on
    some smaller number of masts are likely to find
    gremlins at work for some part of the time.
    Like the real world the greater the mass of the
    components involved the more positive will be the
    operations.

    Presumably you are in 'HO', or you
    wouldn't be on this list, and ' HO' semaphores
    (using memory/muscle wire) can be made
    reliabily, with some success. 'T' and 'Z' scalers, are
    totally out of luck.
    'TT' and 'N' scalers will not find any ready made
    bridge semaphores, as far as I am aware, because
    of the difficulty of dealing with the lack of mass
    in the components , and the difficulty of making
    small precision components at prices affordable
    to hobbyists.
    So give us more details of what you are up to,
    and also let us know what you fell your facility with
    model railroad "engineering" is like.
    Good-Luck, Peter Boylan
     
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    Echo4 New Member

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    I am using the double crossover (with a x betwene two main lines) to switch from a upper track to a lower track and on the semaphors, I am going for a 1930s-1940s forest look with two chalengers for my layout.I could go with target signals but semaphores look cool
    (when they work properly).I am going with circuitrons tortoise,remote signal activator,semaphore driver and opto block occupancy detector for electronics and mechanisms. For semaphores tomars double head semaphore is what I think I need to use. What do you think??? My other quistion is blade colors?
     

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