I have several CB&Q locomotives... but... don't think any of them are appropriate for Colorado & Southern. I don't recall any manufacturer making any C&S locomotives... well other than the "Burlington"... at least none that indicated they were actually assigned to the C&S with the cab sub-lettering. Probably not a big deal to add sub-lettering and new numbers to the existing cabs. Though several C&S locomotive didn't have cab sub-lettering... perhaps I've missed some C&S specific models along the way??? Here are a few examples.. U30C without cab sub-lettering... NW2 with C&S & AT&SF cab lettering!
Since the CB&Q bought out the C&S in 1908, I'd be surprised if you could find a diesel with C&S livery. Did you know that the C&S jointly owned narrow gauge track with the D&RG back in the early days when the C&S was still a narrow gauge railroad? An interesting note is that the C&S still exists as a Union labor bargaining unit within the BNSF system! Employees cannot change units more than one time in their career without sacrificing seniority dates. All the old predecessor railroads have their own units. http://www.thedieselshop.us/CB&Q.HTML
While I don't know how C&S specific they are, I want to say that Kato did an SD40 with C&S sublettering. And I think Atlas did a BN GP38-2 with FW&D sublettering in HO but don't quote me on that. There may be others out there. I'm not aware of any specific C&S or FW&D "scheme" on diesel locomotives. They just used CB&Q paint and sublettering.
This is why paperwork such as train orders was all migrated to a company 'family' style form. Simply reading "Burlington Lines." So it was universal to their entire system. Diesels could be assigned to work anywhere as necessary. Where regulations required to them show ownership, they'd be sublettered. There may have been a Kato SD40 with C&S or FW&D sub-lettering, in the BN green scheme. That's all I can think of as a possibility. Boxcab E50
I don't know of any models specifically lettered for the C&S except the Kato SD40s in Chinese Red. I don't believe the C&S ran anything special (different) from the CB&Q except SD40s. Also, I could be wrong but I think that is a very small "C&S" to the right of the road number on 893. I looked at a picture of a CB&Q U30 and that lettering isn't there. It is similar to some tiny lettering I've seen on C&S SD9s. The Diesel roster of the CB&Q including the C&S and FW&D can be found here: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/diesel.html Andy "Tetsu Uma"
other C&S options....the C&S was the last Class 1 to buy a steam loco for freight use (1957, six O-4's), from it's parrent, the CB&Q. Of the 3 classes of C&S freight steamers that made it past 1958, there are 2 great ways to model them. The Con Cor 2-10-2 is very close to the C&S 2-10-2 and the Kato 2-8-2 with GHQ's kit will make a great looking C&S2-8-2 http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/zm1.html Unfortunatly, my favorite C&S steamer is 641, it was the LAST Class 1 steamer in daily service, lasting until October 11, 1962. IF there was a good way to make this 1906 Alco, I would most likely have decided to model the C&S in 1957, when the C&S had 11 2-8-0's, 6 2-8-2's, and 5 2-10-2's, 3 NW2's, 3 A-B-B-A sets of F7's and 11 SD9's.
Kato did SD40s in N Scale in the Chinese Red scheme. These were C&S units and are the only factory-painted C&S units I know of. I've got a pair of them surplus as I am consolidating my collection to pre-1955; contact me off list if you're interested in them. In HO I did the artwork for Broadway Limited EMD switchers for C&S/ATSF but so far nobody has done them in N. Charlie Vlk
An interesting note is that the C&S still exists as a Union labor bargaining unit within the BNSF system! Employees cannot change units more than one time in their career without sacrificing seniority dates. All the old predecessor railroads have their own units. In regards to this,yes your right about the C&S contracts.However if you are on any of the "Southern" lines you can transfer all over with no penalty.Now if I were to move to the old GN,NP and SP&S areas I would lose my Seniority and be placed at the bottom of the appropriate roster. Now if I transfered back to any of the "southern" lines I would be at the bottom of THAT seniority roster.The GN NP rules were to keep Q guys from coming up north. I was trained for my engineer training by C&S guys. Qualified from Denver to Cheyenne on the Front Range and LOVED the C&S! Regards to your diesels, C&S under the cab is all you would need. Plus IIRC certain numbers were designated C&S. On some SD40's I think the C&S was under the number boards on a few.Its a neat railroad (even if the BNSF claims they own it lol)
Thanks for the input! I really thought there were many more C&S and FW&D diesels than shown on the list provided by Andy [Tetsu Uma]. Perhaps I was under the mistaken impression that the 'only' Burlington units in the Denver [Colorado] front range area had to be C&S or FW&D lettered. I know I've seen photos of a joint colaboration between D&RGW and CB&Q to pool power... but I thought that it was with the subsidiary companies [C&S & FW&D]. I'm pretty sure I've seen photos of CB&Q GP30's with similar D&RGW hood units. This was a short-lived arrangement that occured in the 1960's. Now, I'm guessing, it seems that Q hood units could have been found in the same area as C&S or FW&D equipment... in other words... not excluding regular Q owned units.
Granpa Joe, the C&S leased GN FT's, NP F3's, MP F3's and F7's, D&RGW GP30's and GP35's, UP F9's, GP9's, GP30's, U25B's and Precision Engeneering/Precision National owned exKaty and ex SP F units for the sugar beet rush into the early 1980's
Does anyone know any of the numbers on the BNSF/BN SD40-2's that still have the small C&S sub lettering? I saw one while working about 3 years ago and forgot to write down the number. I would love to model one.
May I suggest kitbashing the bachmann spectrum 2-8-0? With a smaller sand dome, smaller, raised headlight with visor, snowplow, extended smokestack, number plate, and other details this Alco engine CAN be built. I can draw up a kitbashing diagram if you want.:tb-wink:I've drawn other kitbashing diagrams for other models. You can see them in my album for other modelers' kitbashes.
You CAN make C&S #641! Here's how I would modify a Spectrum 2-8-0 to make this model with minimal difficulty. The base model is very close (minus signature details like the light, plow, number plate, and steam dome). Maybe this will inspire you to model C&S steam! Enjoy!
Thanks. There is a former C&S SD40-2 working around Seattle. The number escapes me at the moment but it was a 63xx until this year when BNSF started re-numbering the -2 fleet. You could barley see the C&S intials above the numberboard so a crazy engineer used some chalk to re write them on the engine. Kevin
BNSF 1594 BNSF 1594 has the C&S in very small white letters above the rear number boards. She's seen better days, but she's still a beauty in my eyes. Here's a shot from NTW yard in Minneapolis.
There are still a few trace's of the C&S around. Even harder is FW&D equipment but there are still caboose's with that here and there. KEvin
Cars I know of, but figured the locos all had the C&S or FW&D lettering removed. The C&S SD40-2s were renumbered into the BN numbering and then the C&S markings removed, for the most part back in the 80s.
