1. sidney

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    i know ive put this in before long while back and i can t find it.
    but my problem is with nce power cab and jmri . jmri says off line and i know its some stupid simple thing im missing. I had thought i saved a snippit of how to fix this in a note someplace but for the life of me i cant find it...
    im trying to rename a loco with TCS decoder. (I use the nce power cab for programming )
    any who i can seem to figger out how i fixed that problem. it was something very simple if i remember right...
     
  2. Sumner

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    Can't help you but since the title of your post is JMRI wondering why you aren't using DecoderPro in JMRI. Pretty easy to use and I like that it is easy to create a roster as you program a loco and then can call it up from the roster if you want vs. remembering the road number which can be hard for me to see when I'm using EngineDriver.

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    well if i could get jmri to power on i could do that. its off line and driving my nuts. i did get my loco renumbered from 3 to 23. but not with jmri. its aways off line. i know its a simple lil thing that i keep over looking and i can not find my notes. i did have this problem before and i made notes about how to fix it. I just cant find them....oh well ill run trains:) till i figger this out again:((n). i dont use jmri very much these days but when i need it it always need working on.....:mad:. I need to organize my notes better.......
     
  4. woodone

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    Make sure you follow the instructions to the letter. Make sure that the USB ports are on, some windows 10 systems will turn off power to the USB ports to save battery.
     
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    thanks woodone ive checked all that , its some lil thing that i keep forgetting. i still cant find my dang notes. next time i figger this out im gunna make another note and stick that sucker right on the computer screen ans also make a note in decoder pro...... i know its just a simple lil thing that i forgot to do........
     
  6. Mark Ricci

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    Maybe it was Connections Screen change....

    If JMRI can not find NCE at all, its possible that you may need to go into preferences - then connections to confirm manufacturer, connection, serial port and type.

    upload_2022-12-19_17-52-21.png

    Besides faulty cable, Windows, at times, has a variety of USB COM port issues. Windows Device Manager should show what COM port is assigned to the NCE device which configured in the JMRI Preferences-Connections. If you don't see the COM Port in Device Manager, or its different than the COM port in JMRI connections, would be a reason why its "Offline".
     
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  7. sidney

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    Thanks mark ill go back and have a look... i do get the port number ect. back in the dark spaces of my mind i want to say it was just a simple setting. But i dont know for sure what it was.....but ill for sure go back and look at what you posted. i just dont use jmri enough any more and i want to adjust some of my locos now.......
     
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  9. sidney

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    ok ive updated my drivers in my computer.. hooked up nce pwer cab started JMRI and its loaded up with green is online ... but the power button is RED ok. but i can program locos with power button on red BUT when i hit power button it turns yellow and i can not run loco or do any thing...
    RED says power is off RIGHT ? and when i hit power button its supposed to be GREEN RIGHT ?
     
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    The bottom of the JMRI Decoder Pro should appear similar to below,

    upload_2022-12-21_7-18-45.png


    A few thoughts...

    1-Did you "cold boot" (shut everything down) both PC and USB device after driver install, though normally unnecessary, Win 10 should have installed automatically?

    2-What happens to the color of power button upon successive multiple clicks? eg RED-GRN-YEL and repeat or just RED-GRN repeat or RED-YEL repeat?
    b-If you have an AC Voltmeter, confirm presence of track voltage for each LED power state on both OPS and PROG tracks. This will confirm whether power is actually on track.

    Also, the programming track will not run locos so it needs to be on the OPS track.

    3-If you like, paste snippets of your specific screens of (your screens of the above screenshots);
    a-JMRI Preferences - Connections
    b-JMRI Preferences - Defaults
    c-Windows Device Manager showing USB device and COM port assigned
    d-USB COM Port properties showing COM Port and Baud rate.
     
  12. sidney

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    sumner there is no connection problem (i think ). it connects fine just weird its doing everything back wards.
    i go from red to yellow on the power button...
    ive looked into my programs and maybe i found one problem . i have two JMRI's in programs , an so i removed one of them. I have not tested this yet but will today some time.
    i may have to uninstall everything JMRI and then reinstall it .

    MARK that power button just goes from red to yellow there is no green (yet)BUT when i hit the loco to be programed that button does turn green ...... i have a few things to try and test later today...... i got to put fog lights in the yoter and then put seat brackets in it. after all that ill try a few more things. im getting closer . i have been able to program one loco.
    i just dont under stand why the power button problem and why its backwards......OH i have the latest build of jmri too and java 11 i believe..
     
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    Definitely a good idea to have only 1 instance of a program installed on PC.

    Ensure both instances of JMRI are deleted, reboot PC and USB device (very important in this case), and install JMRI. Also, there should be a JMRI folder inside your windows "user" directory that most likely needs to be manually deleted. Its path and name C:\Users\<username>\JMRI where <username> is the Windows login account.

    The user files that JMRI creates for your specific setup, such as operations settings, roster and panels (xml ) , are not removed by the uninstaller. If you have built a roster or panel(s), they can be copied to a backup location and then copied back once all else checks out. Its hard to say the impact, in the event both instances were running and attempting to send a track power on or off condition, on these JMRI user created files.
     
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    well i tried again and no luck at all. so i deleted it and install older version and still a no go... OK soooo i throw all the nce stuff back in the box and connect dcc++ex system witch is what my layout is using and bam it works exactly as it should with the dcc++ex setup.... OK soo now im leaning on a bad connection from the NCE system (like sumner said in one of the above post )
    i think im done trying to use the nce power cab and ill just stick with what is working...... ive had problems before with power cab connections. Namely those RJ connectors . so im done with NCE power cab altogether now. i just thought i could use it for some quick programming on the bench...
    now i got to remove the older version of jmri an reinstall the latest one back in....
    Oh and i do delete all folders that are JMRI related every time too......Learnd that one a while back with some other programs..
    Thanks all for your valued inputs .
     
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    If you keep up to date, periodically installing new releases of JMRI, it should perform any updates on its files you created using earlier versions (if you don't delete them first.)

    And Decoder Pro will wean you off of using the throttle to program decoders right quickly! It can read in a programmed decoder, and fill in the UI screens for that decoder, giving you a great place to start with. And since you can save your work, you can always get back to where you were last with the programming. I wouldn't program a loco decoder without it!

    Disclosure: I use a SPROG system, which like DCC++EX, uses JMRI for the throttle and UI anyway. I use my phone, running Engine Driver app, for the throttle.
     
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    Sidney. Going back to square one- with your Power Cab what kind of interface are you using? NCE, SPROG OR Digatrax?
    You stated that you set up the drivers. Do you see the comports on your clumpier under devises?
    I struggled with JMRI for days before I found the USB ports dead.
     
  17. sidney

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    woodone I used the NCE usb connection. drivers are not the problem they all installed perfectly.
    Im just done with power cab..... Ill just use my spare DCC++EX system for future programming.
    I do have a PI4 system with dcc++ex on arduino as well but it too has problems connecting to JMRI..... (well getting it to power up )
    I do see comports and there active . AND i still can not find my dang notes either ..

    BIGJAKE i only use decoder pro for programing . I do not use it for running locos....
    I do try to keep everything updated as well.
     
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    Sorry, did not mean to imply that you could use Decoder Pro to run trains.

    You should be using Panel Pro for running trains. But both DP and PP use the same interface (USB) to talk to your DCC system.

    Hmmm... They (DP & PP) could be configured to use separate interfaces... check that?
     
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    Sidney sending you a PM
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  20. sidney

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    hahaha bigjake ya i know what you meant ect i do use panel pro for running locos when im testing ect . panel pro for loco ids ect hahaha:D
    its all good.....
     

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