General layout shape - more curved or more straight sections?

TrainzLuvr Nov 14, 2017

  1. ppuinn

    ppuinn Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    The scenery in Vikas' yard looks great! You could certainly do something similar with yours.

    Is there enough space to put a yard lead 18.25 inch radius parallel to the 20 inch radius main around the east end of the support column shelf?
    How much space is there from the fascia of the outside shelves to the north wall? (Assuming the door is at least 32 inches wide, there could be a minimum of somewhere close to 36 inches.) Would someone setting out a train on an arrival track be able to pass an operator sitting on a wheeled dentist's stool or chair, in order to stay with his train and uncouple his loco(s), and turn his loco or park it in an engine facility without interfering with the seated operator sorting cars from the east end lead into the classification tracks of the yard?

    How many cars do you plan to have in your trains (affects siding lengths along main, how many cars are available to be switched into/out of industries in a particular train, length of yards, length of yard leads; also number of locos needed to pull cars up a helix of x percent grade).
    If you have a 2 percent grade and use 2 locos, you probably will be able to consistently run 12 to 15 car trains and up to 20 cars with 3 locos.

    What are your thoughts about number and types of trains to be run in an operation session? I suspect two trains at a time on the main will be the maximum until operators are more experienced. And, if most jobs are designed to take between 15 to 30 minutes, you might be able to run 4 or 5 mainline trains in an hour. A third operator could work the yards outside the support column shelf on both the upper and the lower level (one train out of each and one train into each 15-30 minutes later). How do these speculations of mine match your expectations?

    I think that, if you have 4 classification yard tracks, 1 arrival track and 1 departure track, and 1 running track (or a main?) separate from a yard lead, plus aisle space for an operator with an arriving/departing train to pass while a seated operator is working the yard, it would be possible to put most of the lower and upper level yards on the outside of the support column shelves (as in your post above) with engine facilities and other yard elements on the inside. Or you could leave the backdrop out on the west end of the lower level, run the yard lead "through" the partition and along the west wall, and have all the turnouts to the classification and arr-dep tracks within sight and reach on the outside of the support column shelf at the west end of the yard. The turntable and engine facility would be at the east end of the yard (but NOT at the end of classification tracks, as Vikas' was), and trains would still come onto the arrival track in the yard from around the east end of the support column shelf.
     
  2. nd-rails

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    Err, don't understand- regardless of proto-fiction- when would an entire yard ever terminate at a turntable? It can only ever turn a locomotive, period.
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  3. ppuinn

    ppuinn Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Dave (nd-rails),
    [Vikas' track plan is posted HERE in his blog.]
    You are right...We'd probably never see a prototype yard with tracks terminating at a turntable, but Vikas' yard configuration isn't the first time I've seen this type of track plan on a model RR. Several years ago, when searching online for switching layout track plans, I came across a plan in which someone proposed a similar arrangement in order to fit more operations in a 3-track yard on their very small N-scale switching layout. (...although they referred to it as a shunting layout, which led me to think the modeler was from Europe [UK? India? Australia?]).

    TrainzLuvr,
    Despite your somewhat narrow support column shelves and aisle by the door, I still think there is plenty of room to fit in a more prototypical track arrangement.
    I think the scenery around Vikas' (very unconventional) yard is wonderfully done; however, I would encourage you to plant any fine-foliage trees--like those on the left in the 2nd picture of Vikas' yard--between the turnouts and the backdrop, instead of between the fascia and the turnouts. This is because these lovely trees are very delicate, so they are extremely vulnerable to damage during track cleaning or repairs. If your turnouts use ground throws instead of motors, the fine-foliage trees may be easily damaged by hands, shirt sleeves, or elbows when operators reach for a ground throw. Also, during operations, any trees (fine-foliage or other) in front of turnouts may block the view of switchpoints and cause operators to run through an incorrectly aligned turnout.
     
  4. TrainzLuvr

    TrainzLuvr TrainBoard Member

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    @ppuinn

    I'm still trying to sort out heads from tails from everything you wrote. To be honest, some of that stuff is presently over my head, that I don't even know where to start figuring it out. I thought the benchwork part was difficult but that was just engineering and labour.

    I haven't done anything for the past several days and I feel a bit demoralized at the moment, as well as overwhelmed with the (daunting) task ahead. Any guidance you can offer would be appreciated.

    Regarding the Vikas-look-alike yard and my copy of it, I think we are not on the same page. I envision it being a Staging not Classification yard. It is train storage for trains that exist outside my railroad, and could be potentially a hostling job during an op session. But it is definitely not meant to be a classification yard needed to be worked on, trains cut and sorted, etc. That's why the turntable at the end, to make it easy to turn the locomotive around and ready the train for another potential run during an op session.

    In reality, it's kinda of a bummer that I'm doing that there because I already bought enough Atlas Code 80 track (150 ft.) and remote turnouts (40) in December to build two double-ended auto-restaging (hidden) areas on the peninsula, based on my original plan.

    So now the plan has changed, and I'm making a visible Staging using that same Atlas Code 80 track which isn't the nicest looking one, nor am I utilizing all of it either as I'd be left with half the track and turnouts since it's not double-ended nor exactly the same configuration. You said there's plenty of room for more prototypical track arrangement, please share how you envision it (ideally in visual form rather than words).

    I've been dabbling with some LDEs on the lower level, and here's what I have so far - perhaps you could use this drawing as a reference for any visual representations, or what not. Thanks!

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  5. TrainzLuvr

    TrainzLuvr TrainBoard Member

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    More progress this weekend, fitting the subroadbed on the lower level!!!

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    Ran out of time so the peninsula blob is unfinished, last remaining item. And it appears I'm short couple of feet of plywood, bleh. I'll have to stitch some scraps together to fill in the holes.
     

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