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    Looking for some facts about the Southern Pacific Sunset Limited.

    I've been resisting the urge to buy the SP Sunset items that IMRC has put out over the past few years because I don't know too much about it. Since I don't have any SP passenger equipment books and the info on the internet isn't great... I was hoping I could get some quick details about this train from the 'REAL' Espee pro's here.

    I'm pretty sure this was an evening train... as the name suggest... and would have been mostly sleepers and some other varnish... maybe even mail.
    I don't know what kind of motive power was used in the 1950's to pull it on its western leg... Was it Daylight E units? Cab-Forward was mentioned in Wikipedia as well as some consists. I'm sure there were many varieties of consists depending on the year and where the train was in its journey westward.

    This is perhaps one of the most complete sets that IMRC/CCS has put out for Southern Pacific... but... no baggage, RPO or Observation car yet.
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    The Sunset Limited made heavy use of Budd-built cars, except for some early-40s 6 Section - 6 Roomette - 4 Double Bedroom cars that were painted with the red striped (framed in black) at the same height as the Budd cars. Observation cars were blunt-end Budd 10 - 6 cars. Most if not all are available as etched brass car sides but not any ready-to-run, a PC&F "Economy" baggage car or two would also be of use... if you could figure out how to model a couple.

    Don't have the patience for a full consist or simply don't have the space? Espee cut the Sunset down to a four car consist with no sleepers, lounge cars or diners for a short time in the late-60s, until the ICC busted their chops for doing so (formerly carrying a through N.Y.C. - L.A. sleeper) and made them restore the train's previous services. Here are a couple of links to what it looked like...

    http://www.trainpage.com/Rail_Archiv...thumbnail=true
    http://www.trainpage.com/Rail_Archiv...thumbnail=true
    http://www.trainpage.com/Rail_Archiv...thumbnail=true An Automat car rebuilt from a 6-6-4 sleeper.
    http://www.trainpage.com/Rail_Archiv...thumbnail=true
    http://www.trainpage.com/Rail_Archiv...thumbnail=true
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    The Sunset Limited was so named because it originated in New Orleans and went west into the "Sunset". Its name had nothing to do with travel during twilight hours because the journey took 3 days and 2 nights, as it does today with Amtrak's Sunset Limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calzephyr View Post
    ... SP Sunset ... I don't know too much about it.
    Since I don't have any SP passenger equipment books and the info on the internet isn't great...
    I'm pretty sure this was an evening train...
    Hi "Zephyr", see here some good references online.

    The SP Solomon book online:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=PDY...onsist&f=false

    Sunset consists and power:
    http://espee.railfan.net/passenger.html
    http://espee.railfan.net/sunset-limited.html
    http://www.american-rails.com/sunset-limited.html
    http://www.streamlinerschedules.com/...set195008.html
    http://www.sprailroad.net/sp-daylight.htm

    A good movie:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMQIBTC8mkE

    A 1946 timetable:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42817804@N04/4035183091/

    Hope helps?

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    Its worth noting that some equipment from the Louisville & Nashville and the West Point Route (Atlanta & West Point and Western Railway of Alabama) also contributed to the pool of equipment that operated as run-through cars in the N.Y.C. - L.A. sleeper operation, even to the point of painting the letterboards red but with yellow lettering. This was done during the 1950s and was apparently rather short lived... the equipment itself were cars that were built for the Crescent operations, with the route south of Atlanta being via the West Point Route and L&N.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hytec View Post
    The Sunset Limited was so named because it originated in New Orleans and went west into the "Sunset".
    Actually the name preceded the connection to New Orleans. The name originated with the first railroad built in Texas, the Buffalo Bayou Brazos & Colorado Railroad. The road was built west into the "Sunset" from Harrisburg, Texas, just south of Houston starting in 1853 and was unofficially called the Sunset Route. It was not until after the Civil War when the railroad was bought by Thomas W. Peirce and his associates that the name was officially adopted as its slogan. The name of the railroad was also changed at that time to the Galveston, Harrisburg and San Antonio Railway. After the Southern Pacific gained control of the railroad they themselves adopted the Sunset Logo as their own and used it for the entire railroad. Here is an early version of the Sunset Logo used on a meal token distributed to railroad construction workers building the railroad westward.


    A train with the name Sunset Limited also predated the takeover of the GH&SA by the Southern Pacific.


    Stain glass window from San Antonio depot circa 1902.
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    That's fascinating, Russell. Thanks for history lesson.

    It's interesting that the architect for the San Antonio depot chose MDCCCCII, rather than the more common MCMII, though both are technically correct. Possibly because the longer numeral better balanced SUNSET ROUTE from an artistic perspective.
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    ...and if anyone ever offers an SP 3/4 dome, I'll get that company's logo tattooed across my chest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by r_i_straw View Post
    A train with the name Sunset Limited also predated the takeover of the GH&SA by the Southern Pacific.
    I need to correct this statement. I thought I had read that somewhere but after reviewing all my books and literature on the subject I just can not find it. It may have been a reference to the "Sunset Trains" that I was remembering. From what I found, the name "Sunset Limited" was first used on a weekly train placed in service between San Francisco and New Orleans during the winter season from November 1, 1894 through April 11, 1895. Trains 1000 and 1001 were on a 75-hour schedule between those two cities. It used all new Pullman built varnish and was pulled my the most advanced 4-4-0 American type locomotives available at that time. A passage from New York or Washington via New Orleans to the west coast was about 10 hours faster than any trips connecting via the Overland Route. The Santa Fe Route had not been completed yet. It was so popular that it became biweekly during the next winter season.
    Russell Straw, Sugar Land Route

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    I was not aware of the nineteenth century Sunset , thanks for the lesson. Was the passenger equipment still wood, or was it steel? Steel started to appear in the 1890s. You can get a close version of the eight wheeler in the MP. Some modifications will be in order, but as the MP is based on an SP 2-6-0 of that era, it ain't no bad starting point. I am curious about the rolling stock, though.

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