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  1. #11
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    That beautiful picture of Pete's proved very expensive for me! :-)

    I now have an ABBA set of NYC lightning stripes and an AA set of D&H's. I found that I had to do a lot of trimming on the side frames once I guaged the wheels properly. The molded brake assemblies rubbed on the wheels. However, it was worth the effort. They run beautifully now on my Atlas code 55. They couple closely with MT's and the detailing is very nice.

    I paid about $25 a piece for the engines (used) and they're well worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Morris View Post
    That beautiful picture of Pete's proved very expensive for me! :-)

    I now have an ABBA set of NYC lightning stripes and an AA set of D&H's. I found that I had to do a lot of trimming on the side frames once I guaged the wheels properly. The molded brake assemblies rubbed on the wheels. However, it was worth the effort. They run beautifully now on my Atlas code 55. They couple closely with MT's and the detailing is very nice.

    I paid about $25 a piece for the engines (used) and they're well worth it.
    I just picked up an A-B set of sharks a few weeks ago. I was hoping to get at least two A-B sets for a nice four unit lashup, but i just happened to order in the absolute last set that was in stock from Walthers. I'm happy for the moment, but I am looking around for a couple more sets (maybe), as well.

    I haven't had any problems with them yet, except for the noise, but it does seem to be the worst when I only run a single unit by itself, especially if you have the throttle completely wound out. They seem to be naturally slow geared, so turning the throttle up to the highest notch (as some people like to do) doesn't really make them go faster, it just makes the motor turn faster and start screaming.

    I'm really just curious if they'll be okay for the long run just running them out of the box, or not. I've thought maybe putting a little oil on the gears would be advisable. However, I don't even know how some guys manage to find the hidden problems in them, let alone fix them. For example, I doubt I'd have the first idea how identify if the wheels were improperly gauged, or if anything was rubbing on the brake assemblies.

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    If they're running well on your track and through your turnouts you don't need to worry about the guage. All six of mine needed guage adjustment (use an NMRA N scale guage--most hobby shops or e-tailers will have them) to run reliably on code 55. When you hold the loco upside down, you can tell if the wheels are rubbing on the side frames/brake detail. If not, again don't worry about it. When I re-guaged my wheels they would rub, therefore the above mentioned filing.

    Oiling will probablyl not make the engines run quieter. They're just delightfully "growly" as they pull the long trains.
    Last edited by Bob Morris; May 4th, 2010 at 11:55 PM.

  4. #14
    I have a pair of these. Same comments as the others here. I love 'em, though. Always loved the Sharks. Planning to wire in Silver Mini decoders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Nolan View Post
    Bachmann made these for ER Models, and took over the remaining stock when ER Models went bankrupt. I seem to remember the ER Models owner got sick or went bankrupt. Six or seven years ago seems right.

    They were supposedly the next generation of Bachman Spectrum-Plus B-B diesels. They are generally acknowledged as good designs, although very loud with gear noise. DCC is a drop-in, if the decoder is still available.

    Modeling the PRR, I love them. They run at prototypical speeds, and their only flaw is that they are rough at slow speeds, and rather loud. They are good on detail (for the price), and good-to excellent pullers.

    I'd give them an A-. They are underrated engines because they are loud. That never bothered me. Diesels are rather loud beasts. They are great on the point of a coal haul:

    One more thing about these. If you look at the above photo of them you will see that the grills are painted silver. I could not locate any photo of the prototypes [PRR prototypes] that had silver grill work. ER also did the top ones in silver too. The builder photo I saw had the grill work the same color as the body [Brunswick Green]. I painted mine with some Ceramcote acryllic paint from Walmart called green black. It is an almost exact match and under most lighting you cannot tell the difference.

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    Maybe repaint them in the D&H colours, so that the grills match the rest of the body, ha-ha.

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    These made the scene a few years ago, and the scuttlebutt was that these were from an oldie N mfr named Roco, who made some nice locos in the eighties and nineties. Then it came out that Bachmann made these for E-R. I had a friend who bought one and hated them for "every reason in the book", which sort of swayed me.

    Based on some of the responses above, I just might splurge for a PRR ABBA set if I can find one, and take the chance.

    As a kid I used to watch PRR Sharks bring in large coal drags through Sharpsville, Pa on its way to Sharon Steel just down the tracks. I loved their designs after getting into N, so I bought some aftermarket shells and installed them on Atlas/Kato RS3 mechanisms. I am lucky to have a factory painted set of PRR's, NYC's and an undec which I am trying to decide what to color it.

    Ken "FloridaBoy" Willaman
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    I worked on these units for E-R, correcting the tooling drawings which were more a blend of several different models than the way they turned out. I didn't have anything to do with the mechanisms but I've run the units on the Reid Brothers Cumberland Valley System and they are very reliable good pullers.
    Technically, they weren't made by Bachmann.... their parent company Kader made them and they do contract work for many different companies. The execution on the Sharks is still better than most Bachmann units. Bachmann is offering them under their label since E-R was driven into bankruptcy due to an unfortuneate stillborn partnership with Roco.
    Charlie Vlk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Vlk View Post
    I worked on these units for E-R, correcting the tooling drawings which were more a blend of several different models than the way they turned out. I didn't have anything to do with the mechanisms but I've run the units on the Reid Brothers Cumberland Valley System and they are very reliable good pullers.
    Technically, they weren't made by Bachmann.... their parent company Kader made them and they do contract work for many different companies. The execution on the Sharks is still better than most Bachmann units. Bachmann is offering them under their label since E-R was driven into bankruptcy due to an unfortuneate stillborn partnership with Roco.
    Charlie Vlk
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    Not to hi-jack this thread about the sharknoses, but since you have a connection to what was E-R models, can you tell me if anybody took over the Talgo sets? I really want some, but long out of production they are! Just wondering if somebody else is making them now?
    Josh Davis



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    Quote Originally Posted by PGE-N2 View Post
    Maybe repaint them in the D&H colours, so that the grills match the rest of the body, ha-ha.
    Painting anything in D&H colors is the unpardonable sin. It consigns your soul to hell automatically. You do not pass GO and you do not collect $200.

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