Thread: ATSF Heavyweight Passenger Cars
August 4th, 2009, 11:16 PM #1
ATSF Heavyweight Passenger Cars
I have a number of the Pecos River Brass cars that are painted but not lettered.
What would be the right decal set to letter the cars?
Also, what is the best guide to use as far as proper placement?
I am almost crazy enough to photo-etch stencils and paint on the lettering, but sanity is prevailing and I need a little help.
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August 5th, 2009, 04:47 PM #2
The right lettering and decal set depend on what the cars represent-- car type, series, owned by ATSF or Pullman?, whether lettered for specific train (ie. Scout)
Your best bet would be to consult prototype photos. Some sources in my own library:
ATSF Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment, Lloyd E. Stagner.
1995, Morning Sun Books, Edison, N.J. 128p.
Two or three color pictures on each page of passenger and freight
cars, organized by car type. Not definitive or necessarily
representative, but lots of photos from 1960s to 90s. In some
cases, the caption information is based on an incorrect
identification of the car number, and the information matches the
number but it is not the actual car shown.
Coach, Cabbage and Caboose : Santa Fe Mixed Train Service John B. McCall. 1979, Kachina Press, Dallas, Texas. 256 p.
Complete coverage of mixed train service with timetables of
runs, narrative history and rosters, photos and scale drawings
of nearly all coach-baggage combines on the Santa Fe. Includes
a year-by-year list of what train numbers ran on what routes
from 1901 to 1967, the end of mixed service.
Head End Cars Frank M. Ellington & Joe W. Shine, Santa Fe Railway Passenger Car Reference Series- Vol.1 1999, Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society, Highlands Ranch, Col. 159 p.
Definitive history of Santa Fe railway post office cars,
baggage, express boxcars, etc. Photos and scale drawings of
nearly every class, and rosters of individual cars. If a car
was demoted to a maintenance of way car, the MOW car number
and conversion date is given. If scrapped, the book documents
the name of the scrap dealer who bought it.
Note: except for the "rider car" combines used on trains like
the Fast Mail Express, coach-baggage car combines are NOT
covered here. They were used mostly as coach, baggage and caboose
on mixed trains and are covered in _Coach, Cabbage and Caboose_.
Also, baggage-club lounge cars are not covered here except as
they were later converted to baggage cars, etc.
Passenger Train Equipment 1870-1975 of the Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe
Vol. 2 Business and Special Purpose Cars Frank M. Ellington & Joe W. Shine. 1975, Railcar Press I & II, Colfax, Iowa. 177 p.
This HUGE book, 19" x 12" horizontal format, opens up to more than
a yard wide. Covers business cars, 40' Division Superintendent's
cars, cars of Directors Special trains, steam generator cars,
exhibition and classroom cars, test cars, motion picture camera
car (to make films for diesel simulator), physical examination
cars and Santa Fe Skyway's DC-3s and DC-4s, called "Sky Chiefs".
Quarter Century of Santa Fe Consists, A Fred W. Frailey. 1974, RPC Publications, Godfrey, Ill. 208p.
The quarter century is the one from the end of World War Two to
the beginning of Amtrak. Organized by trains, this book gives
the consist- each car in the train from the front to the markers,
the type of cars and the number series of cars usually assigned.
If a certain car did not go the entire route of the train, the
points where it was switched on or off are given, and connecting
trains which carried them. The section on each train goes through
all the major changes made through the years in the trains consist
and operation. Using this book, you can reconstruct what the
regular makeup of any passenger train looked like, as it passed
any specific point on the Santa Fe, in any given year or season
during the period covered. Or you can trace how a New Orleans-
Oakland through sleeper was carried on a Missouri Pacific train
from New Orleans to Houston, switched to the California Special
at Houston and carried to Clovis, New Mexico and there switched
to the San Francisco Chief.
This is not specifically an equipment book but it has around a
hundred photographs and/or floor plans of interesting passenger
cars to illustrate how a car fit into a particular service.
The book also includes a set of Santa Fe condensed system
timetables for major passenger trains, at two or three year
intervals covering the quarter century. And it includes a roster
by type and car number of all the passenger cars used during the
Santa Fe Railway Painting & Lettering Guide for Model Railroaders: Volume 1 Rolling Stock Compiled by Richard H. Hendrickson. 1990, Santa Fe Modelers Organization, Inc. Dallas, Texas. 65p.
Organized survey of SF system practices in painting and lettering
cars from 1910 to the time of publication. Many illustrations
of cars and a chart of assignment of "Name Train" slogans and styles of system maps painted on box and refrigerator cars.
The Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society also has a book specifically on coaches, including heavyweight smokers. I have the book but it is not written up ion my bibliography yet.
I would have to know what cars you have, and then we can discuss paint schemes at different periods, etc.
January 30th, 2010, 06:43 PM #3
David, Microscale has good ATSF Heavyweight decals. Or at least they did, don't know if they are stil in production. Regards, Otto
January 30th, 2010, 07:32 PM #4
I use Microscale 60-383 and 60-384 both in Dulux yellow/gold. I also had some custom decals made by Rail Graphics that I use for some of the head end equipment.
February 1st, 2010, 11:24 PM #5
60-383 is out of stock at Microscale. (I just got the last set in stock from MB¤¤¤¤¤.) I will be using parts of it but not all and would be happy to share what I don't need. I'm doing four M&R sides and one JnJ RPO.)
Did you get decals printed for the express boxcars? 60-1043 doesn't appear to cover the express boxcars prior to the 60s.
February 2nd, 2010, 01:23 AM #6
February 2nd, 2010, 01:33 AM #7
Thanks Russell. I had forgotten about those.
February 2nd, 2010, 01:33 AM #8
February 2nd, 2010, 01:40 AM #9
I still have the custom decals if you need them. You usually have to get a minimum order and all so I have way more than I will ever use.
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