C&O Flimsies!

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I'll try sharing some of my Chesapeake & Ohio paperwork. Hoping there's some interest?

Akron, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/0001.jpg


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Unfortunately, just an operator annullment. But it's better than nothing!

Alexis (Toledo), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/00021.jpg

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Alto, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/00031.jpg


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A crew copied clearance card. Sloppy. The reason lineside operators were needed. There is a carbon backed mini-19 attached. But in such a way, I cannot scan without damaging this set.

Amherstdale, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/0004.jpg


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Copied on a Pere Marquette Railway form, this is post-merger, thus C&O.

Ann Pere (Howell), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/00051.jpg


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Located in northeast Kentucky, some of my forebears were raised along this part of the C&O. Supposedly worked for the RR.

Ashland, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/00061.jpg




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Ashland Junction, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000001.jpg


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[fitz]

Ken, nice history there when things were better than they are now. Is that order about 13 cars on the siding just intended for information to the crews? I don't recall seeing any like that before. :confused:

[oldrk]

Great stuff. A peak into history. Keep it coming.

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Copied on a Pere Marquette Railway form, this is post-merger, thus C&O.

Ann Pere (Howell), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/00051.jpg


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Here's a link to a photo of 2-10-2 1108:
http://www.pmhistsoc.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?f=locos-1108-110737
This is great stuff!!!

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Ken, nice history there when things were better than they are now. Is that order about 13 cars on the siding just intended for information to the crews? I don't recall seeing any like that before. :confused:

Jim-

That content was common to most all US railroads. Indeed, informational for crews. So they could plan their moves ahead of time. Meets, switching, or?

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Bad Axe, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/Bad.jpg

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Balcony Falls, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000003.jpg

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Baldwin, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000004.jpg


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Beaver Dam, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000005.jpg


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Beckley Junction, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000006.jpg


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Benton Harbor, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000007.jpg


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Black Rock (Buffalo), New York:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000008.jpg


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Blair (Fostoria), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000009.jpg


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Blenheim, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000010.jpg


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Breckenridge, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000011.jpg


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Brown City, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000012.jpg

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Buchanan, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000013.jpg


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[fitz]

How many of these flimsies do you have in your collection? Some of the names of places are great, Bad Axe among them. I assume they are the names of RR CP's and probably can't be found on road maps. :confused2:

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Jim-

Bad Axe is an actual town.

Sometimes the station name, is different from the town. Sometimes it's because the town later grew up around a station. Sometimes the RR changed their station name, to match that town. Other times, they did not. Larger towns might even have more than one station. It makes for an interesting bit of research!

I have 182 different stations from the C&O. About 13,000 offices, from 580-590 companies around the world. It's required decades of digging to reach this point!

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Here's some fun info on the locomotives mentioned in some of these flimsies:
Order 39 Oct. 15 1947 - (steam) #1108 PM 2-10-2
Order 203 July 2, 1982 - #3583 GP35
Order 109 Oct. 3 1967 - #3031 GP30
Order 16 Nov. 19 1964 - #4002 E8A
Order 155 July 28, 1967 - #5935-5970 GP9s
Order 7 1943 - #303 PM 2-8-0 or C&O 4-6-4
Order 118 Oct. 30, 1961 - #58 NW2

I just love this thread!!!

[BoxcabE50]

Posted previously, another thread. Maybe Tim can tell us what was "engine 5029" ? Noting that it was "dead" in this fashion, has me wondering if possibly steam? Although 40 mph seems a bit too fast...

C Cabin (Carey), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/C-Cabin.jpg



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Calumet Tower (East Chicago), Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan000113.jpg

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Cane Fork, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00027.jpg


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Carleton, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00037.jpg


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Carsonville, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00046.jpg


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Again, an annullment. Probably removing authority for Number 146 to move. Finding anything from this famous location has been very difficult!

Cass, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00054.jpg

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Posted previously, another thread. Maybe Tim can tell us what was "engine 5029" ? Noting that it was "dead" in this fashion, has me wondering if possibly steam? Although 40 mph seems a bit too fast...

C Cabin (Carey), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/C-Cabin.jpg



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#5029 - an Alco S2!

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Here's some fun info on the locomotives mentioned in some of these flimsies:
Order 39 Oct. 15 1947 - (steam) #1108 PM 2-10-2
Order 203 July 2, 1982 - #3583 GP35
Order 109 Oct. 3 1967 - #3031 GP30
Order 16 Nov. 19 1964 - #4002 E8A
Order 155 July 28, 1967 - #5935-5970 GP9s
Order 7 1943 - #303 PM 2-8-0 or C&O 4-6-4
Order 118 Oct. 30, 1961 - #58 NW2

I just love this thread!!!

Order 118 Oct. 30. 1961 also mentions engine number 101 - a PM/C&0 E7 - one of my favorites- missed it earlier!!!

[BoxcabE50]

#5029 - an Alco S2!

OK. I was wondering if this was moving a dead steamer to scrap. Apparently not. I am not certain how late steam lingered on the C&O? Or how long they might have kept some as a reserve? Some companies, that had dieselized by the early 1950's, still had steam as standby power until the late 1950's.

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Charlevoix, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00066.jpg

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Charlottesville, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00074.jpg


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Acquired this one, from a retired CN dispatcher. He has since passed on. Quite an interested fellow. Very nice, friendly. Helped me with many locations.

Chatham, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00085.jpg


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And this one also from the same fellow as above.

Chatham East, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00095.jpg


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Cheviot (Cleveland), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00103.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

OK. I was wondering if this was moving a dead steamer to scrap. Apparently not. I am not certain how late steam lingered on the C&O? Or how long they might have kept some as a reserve? Some companies, that had dieselized by the early 1950's, still had steam as standby power until the late 1950's.

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Dieselization on the C&O was officially completed on Sept. 28, 1956.
The Pere Marquette District was officially dieselized in 1952. The last active steam locomotive on the PM was taken out of service on Dec. 31, 1951.

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Clifton Forge, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00112.jpg

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Coal Run (Pikesville), Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00123.jpg


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Columbus, Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00133.jpg


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Not quite a normal clearance. Wish I could find a train order form this station. I have one from an interurban that ran there. Oh well.

Cottage Grove, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00141.jpg


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OK, C&O fans here's one for you- Where is this office??? It's in Virginia. But where? I do find Craigsville on a map. Could it be within the city limits, of a town by another name? Perhaps in Staunton?

Cowan, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00151.jpg

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Oops? Has everyone left the building? Still hoping someone will know an answer to my question about Cowan.

Croswell, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00162.jpg



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CS Cabin (Silver Grove), Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00172.jpg


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CW Cabin (Hinton), West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00181.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

I'm stumped on the exact location of Cowan - I thought it was in southwest Virginia, somewhere near Pulaski in Pulaski County. Craigsville is up north farther in Augusta County - it's on the map.

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Cowan Virginia - It's between Belspring and Radford VA. You take State Road 11 north out of Radford to Fairlawn - go right on 114 (Peppers Ferry Blvd.) - then turn left (north) on Belspring Road - takes you to Cowan.
I got this info with help from a nice lady who works for the town of Pulaski!

[BoxcabE50]

Cowan Virginia - It's between Belspring and Radford VA. You take State Road 11 north out of Radford to Fairlawn - go right on 114 (Peppers Ferry Blvd.) - then turn left (north) on Belspring Road - takes you to Cowan.
I got this info with help from a nice lady who works for the town of Pulaski!

So is Cowan actually a civilian settlement? Or a railroad location, which happened to be placed away from most other places?

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Dante, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00191.jpg


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OK. Here's another question! Is this the same location as Dante? Where someone has simply appended the word Yard? Or, were Dante, and Dante Yard actually two seperate offices in that town?

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00201.jpg


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Danville, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00211.jpg

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Once again, we're using up stocks of older stationery. Detroit, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00223.jpg


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Doswell, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00232.jpg


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Dresden, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scand01.jpg


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Durbin, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scand02.jpg

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Dutton, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scand03.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

My guess is that Cowan VA is a railroad designated name - maybe at one time there was a tower or office there.

Order 544 June 23, 1971 - Engine 7531 - a brand new SD-40, built 02/03/1971 (unless it was old 7531, an F7B...but I don't think so)

Order 43 Oct. 6, 1951 - Engines 105 and 106 - C&O (Pere Marquette) E7As

Order 26 Dec. 20, 1962 - Engine 4030 (I think that's what it is) - E8A

Order 106 Aug. 8, 1970 - Engine 6052 - GP9

This is really great fun to research!
:teeth:

[BoxcabE50]

Order 26 Dec. 20, 1962 - Engine 4030 (I think that's what it is) - E8A

Time-

Yes. The number is 4030. After reading uncounted numbers of train orders, a person can develop a fair ability to decipher handwriting. :teeth:

If you can find anything on my Dante/Dante Yard question, I'd be delighted to know!

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Edmore, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scane01.jpg

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Elkhorn Yard, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scane02.jpg


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Elk Run Junction, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scane03.jpg


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Elkton, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scane04.jpg


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Ensel (Lansing), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scane05.jpg


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Erie, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scane06.jpg


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Erwin Yard, Tennessee:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scane07.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

I know a little about Dante - I forgot to answer that question! Dante is way down in the soutwest part of Virginia along side Lick Creek. It's in Russell County, and was on the Clinchfield Railroad down in the coal fields and "hollers" near Sandy Ridge Mountain. There was a Dante Yard, which had a 300-ton coaling and sanding tower, which is a great subject to model because it was small, and pretty typical of the era. There was also a wooden water tank, 120 foot turntable, ash pits, a machine shop, scale house and tracks, etc.
I am actually using the Dante Yard plan as a basis for a small yard and engine facility on my N layout - it's in the final planning stage now. I will probably even work the Union Baptist Church in the plan.
So here is another twist in my layout which was originally supposed to be C&O - then I decided to make it more generic so that I could turn it B&O if I want - and now, the Clinchfield twist!
:omg::teeth:

[BoxcabE50]

Hmmm. Sounds like it was possible there were two seperate train order offices of Dante, and Dante Yard. Were both the Clinchfield, and the C&O there at the same time? If so, that might explain....?

BTW-

I do have some Clinchfield flimsies...

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Dante is the town at the Dante Yard - I'm guessing that C&O had leased some rights to run on the Clinchfield. I thought that the C&O interchanged with the Clinchfield at Elkhorn City, Kentucky - I don't remember the C&O being near Dante VA. The Clinchfield became part of the Family Lines, and Family Lines merged into the Seaboard System. In 1986 Seaboard and Chessie merged and became CSX.
So still sort of a mystery with that C&O train order talking about trains going north through Dante...

Edit: Post some of those Clinchfield flimsies - you can probably tell I'm a Clinchfield fan, too!

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Who got the Clinchfield? Was it L&N? Or SCL?

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F (Fostoria), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanf01.jpg


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FD Cabin (Logan), West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanf02.jpg


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Fostoria, Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanf03.jpg


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Fremont, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanf04.jpg


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Fuller (Grand Rapids), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanf05.jpg


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[oldrk]

Got anything for Peru, IN ?

[BoxcabE50]

Got anything for Peru, IN ?

According to my file list, I have both Peru, and Peru Yard.

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[oldrk]

Help a brother out! Lets see one from my home town!!

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Who got the Clinchfield? Was it L&N? Or SCL?

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Neither! They all were part of the Family Lines System - until they became Seaboard System in 1982 (?). One of those merger things where they all operated separately - sort of.

[BoxcabE50]

Found the answer- Clinchfield was absorbed into SCL RR during June, 1982. About six months before the SBD merger.

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Here we go:
Order 345 May 22, 1962 (my birthday is May 22) engine 5574 - RSD-5
Order 7 Aug. 20, 1970 - engine 6088 - GP9 at Fremont MI - the Fremont Subdivision runs through my backyard!
Order 106 Oct. (?) 21, 1972 - 3527 - GP35, & 6088 - GP9 at Fuller, Grand Rapids - believe these would have been heading up north - most traffic was east-west. This line used to go up to Baldwin, Ludington where the car ferry to Wisconsin was, and up to Petoskey.
The Fremont Sub goes from Holland north to Muskegon, and up to Fremont to service the Gerber Baby Food plant and the paper mills.

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I've a friend who lives near Grand Rapids. CSX employee. But he's a B&O guy :omg: ... And not very active on the web. Wish he'd get on with us. Bet he'd enjoy these. And possibly have some input.

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Help a brother out! Lets see one from my home town!!

Well, I was going to work through the alphabet. But, give me a while. May have time later this afternoon, to dig them out, and get Peru scanned.

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Garrett, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang01.jpg

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Gauley, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang02.jpg


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Gera, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang03.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

:teeth:Garrett Indiana - my home town!!!

[BoxcabE50]

Sorry it's only a late era slow order. But it does represent Garrett in my collection.

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Better than nothing. But it's a late computer printer version. These were used by many companies. The dispatcher actually sends these. The operator would tear it off, and hand them out. If no operator, then the train crew themselves picked them up at the printer. Gladstone (Bent Creek), Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang04.jpg


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Gordonsville, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang05.jpg

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Grand Rapids, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang06.jpg


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Greenville, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang07.jpg


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A clearance card only- On this one, I'm not 100% certain. I believe it's C&O. But cannot swear it as fact. Perhaps someone can take the train number shown, and check an ETT?

Griffith, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scang08.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Order 1 Oct. 13, 1966 - Engine 5818 - EMD GP7
Order 110 Nov. 12, 1980 - 5768 - GP7
Clearance Form A Sept. 11, 1976 - 5 railroads crossed in Griffith Indiana at one time. C&O, Erie/Erie Lackawanna, Grand Trunk, Elgin Joliet & Eastern, and the Michigan Central. There were up to 180 trains per day at one point - wish I could have been there with video camera and digital camera!!!
I think that there are onlty two railraods there now - Grand Trunk and EJ&E...

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A few more. Seem to be hitting a fair number of slow orders right now. Hallett (Toledo), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh01.jpg


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Handley, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh02.jpg


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Here's another from Canada. Now that I've posted several, from north of the USA, I'm curious about how C&O got into Canada. When? Predecessor company? Anyone?

Harrow, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh03.jpg

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This is an interesting holdover. From long after the merger, in old Pere Marquette territory. Dated 1969. But the style and size of the form, mimics old PM. Hartford, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh04.jpg

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No. The tv show was not filmed here. :teeth: Hazard, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh05.jpg




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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

[quote=BoxcabE50;397392]Here's another from Canada. Now that I've posted several, from north of the USA, I'm curious about how C&O got into Canada. When? Predecessor company? Anyone?

Oh! Oh! I Know!!!The original Pere Marquette RR had two routes into Canada. The main route went from Detroit into Ontario. The other route went from Port Huron MI over into Sarnia, Ontario. PM had acquired the Lake Erie & Detroit River Railway in 1903, and PM had trackage rights on the Canada Southern and the Michigan Central to run from St. Thomas, Ontario to Niagara Falls N.Y.
PM also had leased track rights from the New York Central to run to Buffalo, N.Y.

[BoxcabE50]

Interesting how these systems came together. Should have been a good through route back then. Seems like that would still hold up today.

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[oldrk]

:teeth: I Think Tim should get a smiley face for such a quick answer!:teeth:

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Hemlock, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh06.jpg


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Hilldale, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh07.jpg


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Hobson Yard, Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh08.jpg


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Here's a rarity. Copied at a former B&O location. There was a brief period after the B&O was merged, and formation of CSX. This was almost at the end of using train orders. So finding this was a tough job.

HO Tower (Hancock), Maryland:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh09.jpg


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Howell, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh10.jpg

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Huntington, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh11.jpg


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HX (Hinton), West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh12.jpg


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HX Cabin (Columbus), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh13.jpg


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Jenkins, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh14.jpg

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Kanauga, Ohio:



http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh15.jpg

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Wasn't there another railroad that ran through here? Illinois Central RR? KC Junction (Covington), Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh16.jpg


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Kearsly (Flint), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh17.jpg

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Only an operator annullment. All I have ever been able to locate. :( Kinde, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanh18.jpg



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[BoxcabE50]

:sad: Guess we lost everyone. Has this topic run it's course?

:cry:

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

:omg:Nope - haven't lost interest!!! My boss has been getting overly-anxious about our company take over by GE - so he's been causing some problems by making other people in my group nervous - so I've been working 10 and 11 hour days helping them out!!!
:angry:
Hopefully my boss will see this - and maybe he should get involved in a hobby like this and learn to relax!!!
:teeth::zip:

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Well let's see what I came up with:
Order 21 Jan. 7, 1974 - 6210, 6137 GP9s

Order 22 Dec. 14, 1968 PC2649 - could this be a Penn Central U-25B???

[BoxcabE50]

Order 22 Dec. 14, 1968 PC2649 - could this be a Penn Central U-25B???

By date, and addressing the engines as "PC" would indicate it is Penn Central. But I don't have any roster data.

I'll try to put up a few more scans soon. Probably tomorrow.

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LaCrosse, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl01.jpg

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Lake Odessa, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl02.jpg

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Lancaster, Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl03.jpg

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Another annullment. Looking for a better example. La Porte, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl04.jpg

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Leamington, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl05.jpg


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LM Cabin (Columbus), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl06.jpg

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Lowell, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl07.jpg

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Ludington, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl08.jpg

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A crew copy form. Small, at about 4" by 5&1/2". Sloppy as in many cases. This must be a mine spur. But not certain exactly where. Lundale Number 2, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanl09.jpg

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Order 14 April 16, 1969 - 6185 - GP9
Order 9 Jan. 1st 1965 - 3028 - GP30
Order 321 Aug. 21 1969 - 2013 - RSD12; 6162 - GP9
There was reference to a Lundale Buffalo "shifter", and I think it worked the Amherst Coal Company. I think there was also a Buffalo Hollow and Buffalo Creek. Lundale was a mining town along Buffalo Creek. There was a really bad flood in that area in 1972 when the Pittston Coal Number 3 Dam broke.

[BoxcabE50]

There was reference to a Lundale Buffalo "shifter", and I think it worked the Amherst Coal Company. I think there was also a Buffalo Hollow and Buffalo Creek. Lundale was a mining town along Buffalo Creek. There was a really bad flood in that area in 1972 when the Pittston Coal Number 3 Dam broke.

Well, if you happen to come upon any further information, please post it. I'm curious as to the closest town. Maybe then I could find it's vicinity on an Atlas map.

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[Ed M]

Okay, so you're looking for the location of "Lundale #2" coal mine? Looks like it was in Lundale.

"In 1972 Amherst No. 5 mine and, Lundale No. 1 and No. 2 mines, all three of Amherst Coal Company (Lundale), was located at Lundale. Amherst No. 5 employed 18 persons and produced 50,000 tons annually. Lundale No. 1 mine employed 163 persons and produced 360,000 tons, and No. 2 mine employed 129 persons and 263,000 tons annually."

link: http://www.marshall.edu/library/speccoll/virtual_museum/buffalo_creek/html/lundale.asp


Following map site may also be of help:

http://www.railsandtrails.com/ICC/CoalReserves/WestVirginiaCoal-150l.djvu


See also:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvcoal/


Regards

Ed

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Well, if you happen to come upon any further information, please post it. I'm curious as to the closest town. Maybe then I could find it's vicinity on an Atlas map.

:D

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Look around Logan and Man (Logan County - down in the southwest part of the state). There was lots of talk back in the 1970's about the flood/disaster being the fault of the mining companies, particularly the Pittston Coal Company.

Edit - 125 people dead and 4000 left homeless...

[BoxcabE50]

Look around Logan and Man (Logan County - down in the southwest part of the state). There was lots of talk back in the 1970's about the flood/disaster being the fault of the mining companies, particularly the Pittston Coal Company.

Edit - 125 people dead and 4000 left homeless...

Seems to me there was something on tv recently. History Channel? About a disaster where a mine tailings dam broke, and.... I wonder if this was the same event?

:sad:

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MA (Lansing), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm01.jpg


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Maidens, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm02.jpg


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I'm confused here. AKAIK- This was a regular train order office. I believe continuous? But this appears to be crew copied. Hmmm. Main Street (Buffalo), New York:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm03.jpg


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Man, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm04.jpg


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Manistee, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm05.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Order 37 March 19, 1953 - engine 5845 - GP7

Sept. 1, 1978 Buffalo NY - I think C&O leased trackage rights from New York Central there...wish I had more info...

Order 374 june 26, 1962 - engine 5575 - RSD5 at Man - pretty close to the site of the Buffalo Creek flood.

Order 102 Dec. 14, 1982 - engine 4280 - GP40-2; engine 3043 - GP30

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Marlette, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm06.jpg


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Martin, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm07.jpg


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I'm trying to remember- Is this location one that was sold to the TTI? A coal reload on the River?

Maysville, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm08.jpg


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MD Cabin (Marion), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm09.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

Here's another question- Wasn't this once a joint location, with the New York Central? Can't think of the railroad name right now. It was owned 50/50 by NYC and C&O. This is actually near Rainelle? Now I remember- Nicholas, Fayette & Greenbrier RR...

Meadow Creek, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm10.jpg

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Merlin, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm11.jpg

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Order 115 Feb. 21 1966 - Marlette is in the middle of the "thumb" area here in Michigan. This was on the old Pere Marquette line that ran north from Port Huron to Saginaw.

Order ? Nov. 25 1985 - Meadow Creek WV - this line was 50/50 C&O and NYC and was originally the Nicholas, Fayette & Greenbrier RR. This is (was) part of the Greenbrier Coalfield - near East Rainelle. There was a Meadow River Smokeless Coal Company there. Rainelle was the location of JD Cabin - which was painted Conrail blue back in the 1980s...
Engine 4067 was a GP40 - engine 3844 was a B&O GP38. Both engines were probably in Chessie System paint at this time.

Order 15 Dec. 24 1969 - Merlin Ontario Canada - this was ex-Pere Marquette territory. Engine 5963 was a GP9.

[BoxcabE50]

Order ? Nov. 25 1985 - Meadow Creek WV -

That would be order number 2. After reading many thousands of train orders, I am usually able to decipher handwriting. Sometimes not. Which then has me wondering how those crews can accept the order. :omg:

So what happened to the NF&G? Was it absorbed by one RR or the other? Still exists? Abandoned?

:D

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Mershon (Saginaw), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm12.jpg


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Minden City, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm13.jpg

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Mineral, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm14.jpg


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Monroe, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm15.jpg


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One of my great grandfathers was born here. Have never been able to verify. But either he, or his father, supposedly worked for the C&O in that area.

Mount Sterling, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm16.jpg


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Muncie, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanm17.jpg


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NC Cabin (Ashland), Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scann01.jpg


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Not very exciting. But better than nothing- NC Tower (Hagerstown), Maryland:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scann02.jpg


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Interesting place name. Anyone have some history? Newaygo, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scann03.jpg

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I'm in a bit of a slump here. New Buffalo, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scann04.jpg

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North Yard (Muskegon), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scann05.jpg


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Old Point Junction (Newport News), Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00055.jpg

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Oldtown, Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00067.jpg

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Olive Hill, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scan00076.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

That would be order number 2. After reading many thousands of train orders, I am usually able to decipher handwriting. Sometimes not. Which then has me wondering how those crews can accept the order. :omg:

So what happened to the NF&G? Was it absorbed by one RR or the other? Still exists? Abandoned?

:D

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This is a mystery - NYC and C&O formed the NF&G - and I saw some legal briefs from 1997-98 where CSX and NF&G were bringing legal action against the West Virginia Board of Public Works...

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Here's what I have today:
Order 14 June 23, 1970 - engine 3582 C&O GP35 (5 years old at this point).
Order 19 Dec. 6, 1967 - 4021 C&O E8A (or was this a B&O engine?).
Order 16 Sept. 6, 1973 - Monroe Michigan is about half way between Toledo Ohio and Detroit - it's famous for Monroe Shock Absorbers.
Order 24 Sept. 10, 1968 - 6159 GP9
Order 119 Oct. 15 1965 - Newaygo is a small town about half way between Muskegon and Fremont - this division is called the Fremont Subdivision, and starts in Holland and goes north through Muskegon. The freight that used to be run daily through my back yard was called The Cannonball. Here's a picture of the old Pere Marquette bridge over the Muskegon River at Newaygo:
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/528/cohs3800.jpg
Photo by G. Leisgang - used with permission and courtesy of the C&O Historical Society

Clearance Form A Dec. 12, 1976 - New Buffalo is almost at the Indiana state line.
Order 3 Jan. 18th 1956 - North Yard Muskegon - 5063 was an NW2; 1841 was one of my favorites, a BL2. Here's a picture of 1841 switching the car ferries at Ludington in August 1950:
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/528/BL2_1841.jpg
Used with permission and courtesy of the C&O Historical Society.

[BoxcabE50]

...; 1841 was one of my favorites, a BL2.

That's cool. :shade: I'd forgotten they rostered this engine.

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[BoxcabE50]

Continuing on, here is Paintsville, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp01.jpg

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Parsons (Columbus), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp02.jpg


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Peach Creek, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp03.jpg

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Pelton, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp04.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

Continuing on- These next two have already been shown in another topic. However, just for continuity, will show them again.

Peru, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/Peru.jpg


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Peru Yard, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/peru2.jpg


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Pigeon, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp05.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

Seems like several railroads passed through this location. So I'm not certain exactly who owned it? Anyone know?

Pine Junction (Gary), Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp06.jpg

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Plaster Creek (Wyoming), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp07.jpg


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Pleasant Street (Grand Rapids), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp08.jpg

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Plymouth, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp09.jpg


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Porter, Indiana:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp10.jpg


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Port Huron, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp11.jpg


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This is a common way of letting a work extra know they've lost their authority for movement.

Prince, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanp12.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

Seems to me there was also an office in this same city, named Kingsgate. But I'm not certain if the C&O operated past that point? I believe both "Gate" offices may have been used by the Southern Railway CNO&TP?)

Queensgate (Cincinnati), Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanq01.jpg


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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

I just love this thread! I've been to most of the places that are mentioned in the flimsies.
Order 33 Aug. 25, 1957 - Plaster Creek. This is Grand Rapids Michigan, technically Wyoming. Plaster Creek is the location of the East Tower, which is the main operation point on the west side of the state.
Order 21 May 31, 1976 - Pleasant St. Grand Rapids. The tower here used to direct traffic north on the Baldwin Subdivision, but was shut down and all operations were taken over by the tower at Plaster Creek. Engine number 3014 was a GP-30 built in January of 1963. Lake Odessa is east of Grand Rapids, and had a really neat little depot that CSX actually donated - it has been moved and restored.
Order 1 May 6, 1967 - Plymouth - this was the junction point of the Toledo and the Detroit Subdivisions. Passenger train traffic was directed from here north/south and east/west. Rougemere is a famous yard - especially if you are a fan of the photos and movies of the late Emery Gulash. Some of these movies are available from Pentrex in the B&O Odyssey series.
Order 116 Oct. 30, 1978 - #5917 was a GP9 built in Dec. 1954.
Order 150 Mar. 13, 1970 - Prince West Virginia - one of my favorite stations. The first of what was supposed to be a complete new look for the C&O - Art Deco styled stations, coal towers, etc. to appear with the new Chessie streamliners and the future "Train X". Of course financial difficulties brought an end to the Chessie, and Train X never got out of the dream stage. This also struck a blow to the career of Robert Young, who spearheaded these developments in passenger trains during the 1950's.

This was taken in August, 2001:
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/520/Pdrm0063a.jpg

[BoxcabE50]

Tim-

Can you fill me in a bit more, on the Grand Rapids- Wyoming scene, regarding Plaster Creek? Is Wyoming a suburb of GR?

Wasn't there some equipment painted up in Train X? Or am I thinking of another railroad? I know a bunch of companies did modern brick depots during the early to mid-1950's. A last gasp by those who still felt positive about passenger travel.

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Grand Rapids has three suburbs that the C&O (CSX) runs through; Kentwood, Wyoming, and Grandville. Heading west from Lake Odessa, the track crosses the Thornapple River at Whitneyville. Then the track continues west through Kentwood, fairly close to where I work by the Gerald R. Ford International Airport. The track goes over Patterson Avenue, over a really nice bridge with the Chessie kitten on it. The track then heads northwest into Grand Rapids, then due north and then west under U.S. 131, and then southwest into Wyoming, and the Wyoming Yard. Right before the Wyoming Yard is the split where the tracks head north by Pleasant Street, where the brick Pleaseant Street Tower used to be. This tower used to control the crossing with the PRR (later ConRail) crossing and the entrance to Grand Rapids Union Station where the great Pere Marquette streamliners would run to Chicago. All are now gone. The tracks also head north out of Grand Rapids on the Baldwin Subdivision from here.
Plaster Creek Tower used to control the east approach to Wyoming Yard, and after closing of the Pleasant Street Tower, took over control of all local operations. The west end of Wyoming Yard is called Lamar. Heading out of Lamar, the tracks continue west into Grandville, and then to Hudsonville, Zeeland, and into Holland where I live.

The locomotive for Train X never made it farther than the artist conception drawings. There was a two car consist cooked up between the C&O Research Department and Pullman Standard for testing, but that's as far as it went. There was a contest panned with a $1,000 prize to name the train, but of course it never came to be. The artist concept drawing of the train showed an engine somewhat similar to the GM Aerotrain, and the cars were designed to be articulated and share trucks. Robert Young had some pretty advanced thinking, and a lot of the design concepts for this train are a reality on some of today's more advanced trains such as the Acela.

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/530/TrainX020419.jpg
Courtesy of the C&O Historical Society.

[BoxcabE50]

That artist concept looks a lot like the old UP M-10000.

So is Wyoming an incorporated community? Or would it have been, at the time of that 1957 flimsy? If so, I will need to change my files to reflect this fact. Trying to keep my records as accurate as possible, indicatng the nearest town of each station.

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Wyoming is fairly big - it's got a population of around 70,000, so it is a city. Wyoming was incorporated as a township in 1848, and became incorporated as a city in 1959. I work with the husband of the Mayor of Wyoming, Carol Sheets - she's a very nice person.

[BoxcabE50]

OK. I've edited that post caption to Wyoming. And will now also change my file info.

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Likewise Kentwood and Grandville are also incorporated as cities.

[BoxcabE50]

Was the Pennsylvania RR, (and thus successors), also in the Wyoming area? I keep thinking I've seen flimsies from them as well.

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Yep! Pennsylvania RR ran directly north/south through Wyoming and into Grand Rapids. PRR also had a yard just to the east of 131 in GR. The other major railroad through GR was the Grand Trunk Western.

[BoxcabE50]

I have a bunch of GTW, copied at their office "Fuller."

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[oldrk]

Just how many of these things do you have??

[BoxcabE50]

How many? C&O locations, about 180. In my entire collection, representation approaching 13,000 locations, from about 590 companies, and probably 20 countries. I've at least a blank form, if not a single copied order, or clearance card, or even a set. This has been gathered via decades of searching...

Plus boxes of extras totalling at least many, many hundreds of thousands.... During the past ten years, I've auctioned off quite a few from my excess. Amounting to many boxes worth. Probably somewhere between 100K and 200K.

Will start in on the "R" offices next.

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[BoxcabE50]

R Cabin (Richmond), Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr01.jpg


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Raleigh (Beckley), West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr02.jpg


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RE Cabin (Russell), Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr03.jpg


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Reed City, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr04.jpg

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Reese, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr05.jpg


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Richmond, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr06.jpg

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[oldrk]

Wow, 200 posts! A C&O record!!

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Order 28 March 25, 1964 - engines 6261 and 5987 - GP9s
Order 102 Jan. 19, 1970 - Beckley, West Virginia was the nearest "big" town by Prince, where the station is (and is still used as the Amtrak station for the Beckley area). There used to be a tower at Prince - NI Cabin.
Order 27 Nov. 19, 1947 - Reed City - this would have been the last days of Pere Marquette District steam power (PM "merged" into the C&O on June 6, 1947). Engine 720 was an ALCO 4-6-2. Number 52 was an NW2 diesel. Number 1050 was an ALCO 2-8-2. Hersey is east of Reed City on the line that went between Saginaw and Ludington.
Order 17 Oct. 5, 1955 - Engine 81 was a BL2.

[BoxcabE50]

Order 102 Jan. 19, 1970 - Beckley, West Virginia was the nearest "big" town by Prince, where the station is (and is still used as the Amtrak station for the Beckley area).

Any idea about the station of "Raleigh?" Was it a tower? Train order office?

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Ridgetown, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr07.jpg

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RJ Cabin (Russell), Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr08.jpg

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Romulus, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr09.jpg

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Ronceverte, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr10.jpg

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Rougemere (Dearborn), Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr11.jpg

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[BoxcabE50]

Unfortunately, just an annullment- Rush, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr12.jpg

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Any idea about the station of "Raleigh?" Was it a tower? Train order office?

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Beckley is in Raleigh County. Raleigh was a fairly typical coal mine town. Here's a link - it has some pictures that are interesting, like the company store there:
http://www.coalcampusa.com/sowv/river/raleigh/raleigh.htm

[BoxcabE50]

So Raleigh is/was actually an independent community? My noting it as I did, was info via that person I'd acquired the order from.

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[BoxcabE50]

Moving right along here. I've been uploading these in alphabetical order. As after decades of collecting these, that's the easiest way to reference my flimsies.

Today, I've quickly run through the "R" category, for a reason. It will be noted in just a few...

Meanwhile- St. Joseph, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s01.jpg

:D

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[BoxcabE50]

It's a slightly odd feeling for me, when I look at this, and the previous order. I've always thought of St.Joseph and St.Louis as being in Missouri!

St.Louis, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s02.jpg

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Boxcab E50

[BoxcabE50]

OK. Here is what I was leading up to tonight. This order. It holds some good memories for me. No. I was never there. But when I see the dispatchers initials, the years run in reverse.

"EAW" was Edward A. Wright. "Ted" was a Canadian National Railways dispatcher. He lived in the city named on this flimsy. I never had the pleasure of meeting him face to face. But we corresponded for some years. A good old fashioned nice guy. Up beat. Always very helpful answering my questions. This example was one he gave to me. So this paper will always be special. Thank you, my friend!

St.Thomas, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s03.jpg

:thumbs_up: :teeth:

Boxcab E50

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

I know what you mean. For years and years I would hear the dispatchers from Jacksonville, Florida over the scanner. Got to know their personalities, actually. One dispatcher in particular would ride along on some of the runs over the division up here, and he knew his area well. He even would go out to RailImages (the old one) and check out the picks I posted there. Miss hearing him out there!

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Ronceverte, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/scanr10.jpg

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Boxcab E50

The coal tower at Ronceverte - August, 2001:
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/520/PDRM0074.JPG

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

A view of the station platform at Ronceverte:
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/520/Pdrm0077a.jpg

[BoxcabE50]

Nice to see that depot standing. What is the portion behind, at right, of the platform? A baggage room? Something for trainmen?

That coal tower looks lonely!

:D

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

That's the baggage building in the front - the actual depot is farther behind - the depot is two stories high.

[BoxcabE50]

Right. I could see the depot itself. My thinking it might be other than a baggage room, was because it appears to be somewhat seperated from the depot.

:D

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

I wonder if maybe at one time that building may have been an REA building. REA used to be really everywhere, particularly along the C&O.

[BoxcabE50]

That's certainly possible. Does it have loading dock doors? As though items would be transloaded to trucks?

:D

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Wish I could remember if it has dock doors - I bet it does. Haven't been down that way since 2001.

[BoxcabE50]

Good excuse for a trip? Ha ha! Betcha if it does have them, we may have the building use correct.

BTW- Been meaning to ask- You've noted BL2 engines a couple of times. How many did they have? Where they ever repainted? Am trying to recall any picture I've seen. Was the "as delivered" scheme with some blue and yellow, "C&O" and RR name scripted out along the side?

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

The Pere Marquette had originally ordered 6 BL2s, but C&O took control before delivery so they were dark blue (Enchantment Blue) with yellow (Venetian Yellow) "fenders", with imitation stainless paint on the bottom half of the fenders. These were numbers 80 through 85, and lettered with Chesapeake and Ohio in script. C&O actually ordered 8 more after that.
Later on in life some were repainted in what they call the Huntington paint scheme, which was blue with silver-gray along the bottom half of the fenders.

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

C&O BL2 #82 in August 1960. Note that it has been repainted, because "fenders" are no longer all yellow. Gene Huddleston photo. Courtesy of the C&O Historical Society.
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/530/cohs20599.jpg

[BoxcabE50]

OK. That photo is the paint scheme I was recalling from memory.

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[BoxcabE50]

Sarnia, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s04.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

Another on the mini-crew copy form. Not as messy as some others. I'm guessing this might be a mine run?

Saunders, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s05.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

Here's a town with an interesting name! I'd like to know it's origin.

Sebewaing, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s06.jpg

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[BoxcabE50]

Shelby, Kentucky:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s07.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

South Lyon, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s08.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

Staunton, Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s09.jpg


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[BoxcabE50]

What is/was the "CL&W Subdiv?" Am betting that CL&W are the initials of a predecessor company?

Sterling, Ohio:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s101.jpg

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Boxcab E50

[BoxcabE50]

Another coal town? Or?

Strathmore (Bremo Bluff), Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s11.jpg

:D

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[oldrk]

Are we gonna make it to 300?

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Here's a town with an interesting name! I'd like to know it's origin.

Sebewaing, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/s06.jpg

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Boxcab E50

Sebewaing is Algonquin (Indian) for something like "little river". This is a small town over in the thumb of Michigan in Huron County. I think it was called "the sugar capital of Michigan" because they used to process sugar beets there.

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Order 4 Sept. 25, 1984 - engine 6402 B&O GP9 (no record of number 6400, so probably never existed).
Order 34 Jan. 27, 1959 - engine 105 E7A, engine 4009 E8A.
Order 201 Mar. 10, 1970 - Staunton Virginia - most people pronounce it STANton.
Order 634 June 8, 1987 - CL&W - this was the Cleveland, Lorain, and Wheeling Railway, which was formerly B&O.
Order 2 Oct. 31, 1969 - Strathmore Virginia: C&O’s Piedmont Subdivision connected to the Rivanna Subdivision of the James River Line at Strathmore. C&O built the Virginia Air Line Railroad to make the connection. This line could accommodate cars that were too big for some of the older tunnels in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

[BoxcabE50]

Order 4 Sept. 25, 1984 - engine 6402 B&O GP9 (no record of number 6400, so probably never existed).

This order shows the dispatcher made a mistake. The why, we'd never know. I've seen examples of these from many, many railroads.

:omg:

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

This one twisted me up a little - I had to search through other predecessor railroads - some that I'm not that familiar with. Then I re-read the order and figured out that since the purpose of the order was a correction to the engine number, it was just a goof! Just goes to show that none of us can ever be perfect!

[BoxcabE50]

Sometimes the dispatcher goofs. Other times, they are supplied with incorrect information. In this instance, there should not have been a major problem. As any train meeting the mis-identified engine, should have held their position. And contacted their dspr.

Of course, in those days, you also had more eyes watching for such troubles. Those lineside operators. And additional crew members. Also, someone who'd been in service a few years, might have recognized an unfamiliar engine number, and questioned it.

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Boxcab E50

[BoxcabE50]

Are we gonna make it to 300?

Well...... I have about two dozen more scans to upload. After that, it's up to any resulting conversation. So, join in on the fun.

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[BoxcabE50]

Talbot, Ontario:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/t011.jpg

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[BoxcabE50]

I believe the Ann Arbor Railroad also ran in this town? Did the AA, and C&O cross?

Thompsonville, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/t021.jpg

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[BoxcabE50]

Thurmond, West Virginia:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/t031.jpg

:D

Boxcab E50

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

I believe the Ann Arbor Railroad also ran in this town? Did the AA, and C&O cross?

Thompsonville, Michigan:



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Boxcab E50

I don't know much about Thompsonville, but here's a link to a web site about the Ann Arbor - check out the first photo - picking up flimsies!
http://www.shiawasseehistory.com/annarbor.html

EDIT: Oh yeah - the Pere Marquette (C&O) did cross the Ann Arbor here!

[oldrk]

I don't know much about Thompsonville, but here's a link to a web site about the Ann Arbor - check out the first photo - picking up flimsies!
http://www.shiawasseehistory.com/annarbor.html

EDIT: Oh yeah - the Pere Marquette (C&O) did cross the Ann Arbor
here!

My wife is from the town of Durand. Lots of Railroad history as well as still a big train town. Thanks for the link.

[BoxcabE50]

Traverse City, Michigan:

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1503/t041.jpg

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[Tim Loutzenhiser]

My wife is from the town of Durand. Lots of Railroad history as well as still a big train town. Thanks for the link.

It's kind of embarrassing, but I have not been over to the Durand area to catch the Pere Marquette Berk 1225 running...
I need to get on that!