rib side cars

[ak-milw]

Anyone modeling the Milw. Road in HO check out this site. Every proto layout needs a bunch of these!! graemlins/220.gif www.ribsidecars.com (http://www.ribsidecars.com)

[BoxcabE50]

Andy-

I have heard nothing but GOOD words about these cars. Apparently he's done a fine job of making them correct.

Now we need them in N scale....

:D

Boxcab E50

[ak-milw]

Ken, I was doing a search last week and happened on the site. I ordered one car and it is excellent!! Great detail, nice paint and a decent price. I have already ordered another one! graemlins/220.gif

[R P Smith]

Originally posted by BoxcabE50:
Andy-

I have heard nothing but GOOD words about these cars. Apparently he's done a fine job of making them correct.

Now we need them in N scale....

:D

Boxcab E50 Box Cab,
You already do, JnJ Trains has 40ft Rib Side Boxcars, 50ft Rib Side Boxcars, and Rib Side Cabooses. In N scale.

I am going to need a pile of these HO Rib Sides, I hope they do Cabooses and 50ft Boxcars as well.

[BoxcabE50]

Hi Ron-

Yes. Am aware of the JnJ cars. Was just thinking out loud, of the gorgeous detail, and painted versions George is offering in HO.

Don't forget what Kirk and Don did (PSM) before JnJ. I do have some of those.

:D

Boxcab E50

[R P Smith]

I emailed George, this is from his reply

"We are trying to print the billboard cars this week, but
having technical problems.
If my money and health hold out, I plan on doing cabeese, 50s
and short rib 40s, but not necessarly in that order."

So order lots of these cars, so we can see more good things from George.

Boxcab, I thought you would know of the JnJ Cars, and yes back when I was doing N Scale, I had some of the PSM cars as well. I like N Scale, it just does not work well with my aging Hands and Eyes. Because of that I am very thankful for George and his HO Scale Models. I was holding out hope for a Walthers Milwaukee Rib Side Caboose, now I may not have too.

[ak-milw]

I was hoping for a rib side caboose myself! graemlins/220.gif

[BoxcabE50]

If George does the HO caboose, it will surely put a big dent in brass sales. And really help expand Milw modeling. A lot of folks just cannot afford the metal stuff. And it discourages them from even modeling the Milw.

:D

Boxcab E50

[cmstpmark]

The question I have, besides how many of these to buy, is what would you pay for a rib side caboose? Brass I have seen is usually $200, without paint, and generally more either way. Is $30 acceptable for a styrene caboose sans interior? But, hey, if you're going to do it, do it right and thrown in the correct interior, including the dry hopper. At that point, is $75 OK, maybe even $100 to really cover costs?

Opinions

Mark

[BoxcabE50]

Hi Mark-

I'd hard to gauge what folks might be willing to pay. Perhaps if there was a model prototype photo or two, where they could judge what might be forthcoming. Of course, if you added a dry hopper to the detail parts, that's gotta be worth a bunch! graemlins/LOL.gif

For those of us in N scale, we had the first run OMI made ten or so years ago. They listed at $64.95 back then. Last year, OMI announced a new run. At $212 each. And everyone turned up their noses! I don't blame them. Over triple the previous cost. For something that's smaller than my thumb. So that was cancelled. Not sure what expenses were involved. But there were certainly none for R&D! That had been previously done and expensed.

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Boxcab E50

[ak-milw]

It usually takes me a month or two or three to save enough to by a Proto 2000 engine, so much more than $20 for a caboose or box car is to much for me, no matter how good it is!! graemlins/220.gif

[R P Smith]

Good detail on a caboose, I'd go about $30-40. If no interior, included, maybe that could be offered as a seperate kit, or with or without the caboose. Maybe thats the $30-40 price break, if that could happen. I would need 8-10 of them too. I would also hope for kits for the rivited side Bay Windows and maybe the Transfer Cabooses.

Pricing is very tricky, too much and no sales, too little, and its not worth it.

[BoxcabE50]

There are so many people in HO, who do not have a brass budget, I've got to believe there is a market. And something is going to come along fairly soon.

One way to sell these, would be having them readily available over a period of time. A limited run puts a lot of presssure on folks to 'buy now', or go without forever. In itself, that's a turnoff.

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Boxcab E50

[ak-milw]

Ron, Moleco makes a pretty nice transfer caboose that is real close to Milw.. I tried one and it came out great. You get everything except the frame, I put mine on a reworked flat car so it looked like the tender frame.Check on Walters site for a picture. graemlins/220.gif

[Jim Bernier]

I have several of the new 'rib side' box cars. The detail is good, the paint is good. The down side is the cast on hand grabs and the terrible grab irons on the roof walks. I have removed these and used D/A grabs. The paint match is Polly S, 'oxide red'.
Now if we could get a good plastic rib side caboose 'kit' in plastic - maybe in the $40 range like the ATSF or IC Centralia kits......

Jim Bernier

[BoxcabE50]

Welcome aboard, Jim!

I can't understand why someone won't do the HO caboose you desire. Out there is enough information. Otherwise, how did the brass folks do it?

One complaint that has surfaced, was a lack of detailed info. There are so many preserved units, I'd think a couple of guys might spend a weekend, and measure. The resulting data would be more than accurate enough.

We have one in N scale. The worst thing about it, seems to be truck sideframes.

:D

Boxcab E50

[R P Smith]

Welcome Jim,
I just ordered my first Rib Side Car today, can't wait.

I would expect we could see a HO Rib Side Caboose from Walthers in the future, the way they are going, and if they do, proper trucks would be part of the kit, like on the CB&Q Waycars. We all need to put a email bug up there ears.

BTW- I was in the Hobbysmith http://www.hobbysmith.com/
in Portland last week, there was a nice built up and Painted JnJ N Scale Rib Side Caboose in the case for sale, some private party had done it, $34.95 I think, in case some one is interested.

Also-Had a amazing week of luck on Ebay, picked up a Proto 2000 Milw. GP30, a Proto 2000 1st run Milw SD7 (now just got to figure out how to cut out the front fuel tank, and a Walthers H12-44 in Passenger Yellow (This is as close as I can get to something to remind me of Dad and the many cab rides I had in UP Switchers with him as a kid.)

[BoxcabE50]

Originally posted by R P Smith:
BTW- I was in the Hobbysmith http://www.hobbysmith.com/
in Portland last week, there was a nice built up and Painted JnJ N Scale Rib Side Caboose in the case for sale, some private party had done it, $34.95 I think, in case some one is interested.Ron-

Are you familiar with navigating their web site? I poked around some. Was hoping to find a possible page for consignments or similar. Have I overlooked something?

:D

Boxcab E50

[Jim Bernier]

The Milwaukee SD7's were for the most part delivered with just the rear fuel tank. However, engines 2209-2211 were delivered with 'both' tanks. So the P2K model of 2209 & 2211 are correct in that respect!
Why they came with the dual tanks? No one knows for sure. Some folk have suggested that these were part of a cancelled order by another road, and were placed in the Milwaukee order. Others think they were set up to have S/G's installed at a later date(which was never done). The only other SD7's that were different were the 2220-2223. These had D/B equipment......these became the 520-523 after the 1959 renumbering. The 2209-2211 became the 509-511.....

Jim Bernier

[BoxcabE50]

Jim-

Talking with former Milw men from back then, and from seeing a couple of papers that have surfaced, 2209-2211 were also equipped with the necessary steam lines. Out of curiousity, I've looked for a close up builders photo for many years, just to see if any pipe end shows on either pilot.

I can't believe the Milw would have ordered these units themselves. Their passenger services on branch lines were being scaled back. But, who knows? Perhaps some day, there will be an AFE found in the Milw Collection at MPL?

:D

Boxcab E50

[R P Smith]

Originally posted by BoxcabE50:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by R P Smith:
BTW- I was in the Hobbysmith http://www.hobbysmith.com/
in Portland last week, there was a nice built up and Painted JnJ N Scale Rib Side Caboose in the case for sale, some private party had done it, $34.95 I think, in case some one is interested.Ron-

Are you familiar with navigating their web site? I poked around some. Was hoping to find a possible page for consignments or similar. Have I overlooked something?

:D

Boxcab E50 </font>[/QUOTE]Their web page only scratches the surface of what hides in the corners of that store. Ron, the owner is a damm nice guy, send him a email or call him, the Phone Number is under "Contact Us". The milw caboose is shoulder high, facing the cash register, in the square glass case towards the back of the store. Maybe he could email you a picture. He also has several N Scale Milw. engines in stock, including a GP30.

[ 23. January 2005, 04:25: Message edited by: R P Smith ]

[R P Smith]

Originally posted by Jim Bernier:
The Milwaukee SD7's were for the most part delivered with just the rear fuel tank. However, engines 2209-2211 were delivered with 'both' tanks. So the P2K model of 2209 & 2211 are correct in that respect!
Why they came with the dual tanks? No one knows for sure. Some folk have suggested that these were part of a cancelled order by another road, and were placed in the Milwaukee order. Others think they were set up to have S/G's installed at a later date(which was never done). The only other SD7's that were different were the 2220-2223. These had D/B equipment......these became the 520-523 after the 1959 renumbering. The 2209-2211 became the 509-511.....

Jim Bernier Jim,
Any idea where the 509, 510, & 511 were working (maint. base) in 1966? How about the 520, 521, 522, & 523?

[BoxcabE50]

Ron-

Thanks for the caboose info. I'll go back to their web page, and find that e-mail address.

If Jim doesn't have 1966, I have info from 1965, and 1967. If that would help?

511 spent a fair portion of it's career working on the Everett Line.

:D

Boxcab E50

[BoxcabE50]

I'll go ahead and list the info I have. As follows:

Unit#/Maintenance Pt/Work area

1965=

509- Mitchell, SD- Mitchell, SD.
510- Mitchell, SD- Mitchell, SD.
511- Everett, WA- Everett, WA.
520,521,522,523- Tacoma, WA- Tacoma, WA.

1967=

509- Tacoma, WA- Tacoma, WA.
510- Mitchell, SD- Mitchell, SD.
511- Tacoma, WA- Everett, WA.
520,521,522,523- Tacoma, WA- Tacoma, WA.

Hope this helps a little?

:D

Boxcab E50

[R P Smith]

Well I just got my first Rib Side Car, 40' Long Rib Hiawatha Box Car, all I can say is WOW!!!!!, what a class act George has put together. Other than the molded on grabs, it's damm near perfect. I wish I had time to jump right in to build it. I could take pictures and post a parts break down though, if anyone is interested. I will be calling several local shops to say "Stock these", I might even build this one up and show it around.

Turn around time from McMinnville Oregon, to Bensenville Ill. and back, less than a week with a personal check.

I'll be buying a lot of these.

[ak-milw]

They sure are pretty arn't they! I have the Hiawatha and Olympian cars, going to order the billboard car next week. I haven't put any together yet but I keep looking at the parts. Also I think there is an artical in Model Railroader this month about them, but I'm not sure. Just had a chance to glance at one for a second. graemlins/220.gif

[Cthetrains]

as far as price goes..I found several adds in my new magazine collection..NPP BRASS..4 car sets $94...including one amazing tail car..with all the fins!!!!!..that car alone is over $1000 today..and the only one I've seen looks like crap...I wonder if we could find someone to make the tail cars complete with fins, affordably?