Favorite B&O Locomotives, wether Steam or Diesel...

[7600EM_1]

Hey guys, just a thought, whats everyones favorite B&O locomotive? Wether its steam or diesel, I think mine's quite aparent! :D I'll take an EM-1 with a S-1 on the side :D

[Tim Loutzenhiser]

Steam: T-3 with a Vandy tender (I am somewhat partial to the S-1!). Diesel: E8 in blue and grey.

[7600EM_1]

Welcome Aboard Tim! Good to see a fellow B&O'er!

Good choices! I too like the E-8's in the "passenger livery" I liked the GP-7's an GP-9's in the same paint, BUT I do like the double yellow strip with "Baltimore And Ohio" written out.....

[chessie]

Wow.... I don't know anything about the steam era engines.,.. I guess I'd have to vote for a diesel..... What are my "B&O accurate" choices???

Harold

[7600EM_1]

Harold,
Anything with the B&O Emblem on it.... Pre-Chessie....

[chessie]

Hmmm.... pre-Chessie???

I guess I'd have to vote for a GP30 with the "Sunburst" scheme on the nose!

Harold

[chessie]

I don't have a "nose view", but here's what I had in mind:
http://www.trainweb.org/ncrail/images/CSXT4119.jpg

Harold

[7600EM_1]

Harold,
NICE CHOICE! I've grown to like that paint job myself, Altho I am in favor of the B&O paint scheme with the dual yellow pin stripes, with
"Baltimore And Ohio" Witten out on an all blue loco! But then, I do like the passenger livery as well! But if it has to be a "dip" paint job, I like the Sunburst scheme! Just as you posted, an even then you posted it on the right loco too! I like the looks of the GP-30 (actually thats my favorite "GP" body style!) :D

[chessie]

what about RS1's? Didn't the B&O have these painted in a stark blue with gold lettering?

Harold

[CP&E 3207]

I saw a GP30 in B&O paint about 5 or 6 years ago with a couple of GP38-2's. I wished I had a camera, was probably the last one still running on the system in B&O paint.

[CP&E 3207]

I think my favorite is the B&O's "George H. Emerson" #5600, the 4-4-4-4 with a backwards 2nd set of driving wheels. The only one of it's kind I believe.

[chessie]

I am not up on this topic....(Steam) but I thought the 4-4-4-4 design was of PRR convention.... how did it get to B&O????

Harold

[fitz]

More than one RR went the compound route, so that smaller cylinders and lighter rods could be used. Here's a link to B&O's George H. Emerson at George Elwood's Fallen Flags photo site. :D
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5600.jpg
Whoops, thatwas supposed to be a link. Put the photo up instead with apologies to George Elwood.

[chessie]

O.K.... now I understand tongue.gif

Harold

[pjb]

The Pennsy 4-4-4-4s ('T-1'Classes) were neither compounds or articulateds. The same as the 'Emerson' .

[fitz]

You are right pjb. I thought that was the wrong term. What is the correct term for a loco with two sets of cylinders operating at the same pressure but independent from each other? Simple was the term for the Challengers & Big Boys. :(

[7600EM_1]

The B&O's 4-4-4-4 was just a triplex, not a compound nor articulated, they just gave the loco 2 sets of cylinders, an big drivers for speed an the extra cylinders were for speed an power... Altho it was a mechanmical nightmare (the "Emerson" loco I mean it was in the shop more then it was out of the shop.

[fitz]

Hey John, welcome back. Are you all settled in at your new New England home? :confused:

[7600EM_1]

Jim,
Just about ole buddy! I don't have the shop set up yet (not till spring time) but I'm as settled in as it gets, I would have been here sooner, just had trouble signing into the site with my user name, so. I would have been here a week ago if it wasn't for that.

But thanks ole buddy for the welcome back! I'm back, an good to be back. And I tell ya I didn't want to leave "Sand Patch" behind so. But I do like the New England scenery, an all plus New Hampshire, is a better state as far as I can see then what Pennsylvania was! I actually like it here......

[dgoods]

My favorite would be an early phase F3 in the grey, blue and black scheme. Chicken wire on the sides, before stainless steel grills were in style.

[7600EM_1]

dgoods,
WELCOME ABOARD! Good to see others into the B&O!

Feel free to search the site, an join in on conversations thats going on, any questions also feel free to ask them as I'm sure one of the staff members, or Administration can help, an on railroad (modeling or the real thing) I'm possitive someone can help you!

Again, WELCOME to the family!

[dgoods]

I guess I do have a question. Did the B&O ever own Alco RS-1 engines? I'm talking the B&O, not once they got swept up into the Chessie system.

[WM734]

I don't think the B&O had any Alco road switchers. Could be wrong though.
My favorite B&O steamer, besides the EM-1, was the ever present Q4 Mike with a vandy tender. Kinda liked the 2-10-2's, too, with the
twelve wheel vandys.
Diesels? No contest...for me, it's the E-6 with that long nose, and very nice in the B&O's elegant Blue and Grey..

Ed

[7600EM_1]

The B&O never had RS-1's...... They only had RSD-12's that were given to the B&O under the C&O control...... Otherwise the only ALCO stuff they had was switchers....

[Alcohaul]

A matched set of FA's or F7's in the 1st generation diesel paint scheme are classic.
Jimmy

[Alcohaul]

7600 EM1, the B&O had a modest fleet of Alco FA-2's, and if I'm correct some were equipped with steam generators for passenger service.
Jimmy

[7600EM_1]

Yes Jimmy, your right! I totally forgot of the B&O's FA-2's..... One diesel model I don't have in my HO scale collection, whichj I have to get my hands on yet thinking of it. I totally forgot all about the FA-2's...

As for steam generators for passenger service, I'm not sure if they had or didn't, but its very possible

[r_i_straw]

Don't know as I have a favorite. This is probably the only B&O engine I ever took a photo of, so I guess I have to vote for it. smile.gif
http://www.railimages.com/albums/russellstraw/afn.sized.jpg

[Alcohaul]

Funny how endearing the GP-30 "Sunburst" scheme is to me now.
I was just a kid, but I remember how dissapointed I was to see them come out with this simplified scheme.
Strange looking and sounding beasts too, because they were the first low nosed and turbocharged EMD units I had ever seen.
They redeemed themselves admirably though.
When they were brand new, a matched set(usually three) of them would roar down the B&OCT main past my house every evening with a cut of those neat private name reefers (Hormel, Swift, Wilson etc.) followed by a cut of loaded stock cars and a red or blue caboose hanging on for dear life!
This was powerful stuff for a preteen kid who was used to seeing countless underpowered transfer jobs and caboose hops plod by.
Jimmy

[Stourbridge Lion]

Don't have much B&O but here are some that you might enjoy from the B&O Museum before the roof caved in.

I think this is B&O but could be C&O, please validate as I didn't make a note when I took this and can't read the tender to be sure.
http://www.railimages.com/albums/BO_Museum/aal.jpg

B&O No. 217 Davis "Camel" with history information
http://www.railimages.com/albums/BO_Museum/abc.jpg
http://www.railimages.com/albums/BO_Museum/abb.jpg

[7600EM_1]

Darren,
Nice shots! Its sad that the Davis Camel is gone, (or all but gone) from what had happen! Its also sad that the B&O HS was in order to getting a EM-1 to go with that C&O H-8 "Allegheny", But never, being they closed for like 2 weeks prior to getting the EM-1, 2-8-8-4 "Yellowstone" in the early 1960's. (Yes your right in the above post about the loco being B&O or C&O, its in fact a C&O H-8, 2-6-6-6, "Allegheny". :D

[Stourbridge Lion]

For B&O fans as well as railfans of the B&O Museum I have in my RailImages a album that contains photos taken at the"B&O Museum" (http://www.railimages.com/gallery/BO_Museum) in October 1999 which is before the snow storm. There maybe other photos of equipment badly damaged that I too wished I could have taken better photographs of. graemlins/shakehead.gif

[7600EM_1]

Darren,
Nice work! sadly what had appen to the museum from the snow storm, I haven't gotten to see the place once an now that I relocated I may never, I moved ever further north then I was! So.... but pictures of it all gives the impression of being there. So, THANKS again! :D

[mmi16]

President Class Pacifics done up in Streamlining for service on the Cincinnatian. Simple & Elegant and effective.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5301c.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-cinobs-amf.jpg

[ April 15, 2005, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: mmi16 ]

[fitz]

mmi16, Welcome to Trainboard! Yes, those Pacifics were very nice indeed. :eek:

[chessie]

mmi16,
Welcome and thanks for posting those pics. Those rounded tail observation cars are definately "modern" :D

Harold

[mmi16]

The Cincinnatian was the highpoint of heavyweight Streamlining, all done by the Mt.Clare shops.

[mmi16]

A unique decoration point about the Cincinnatian, while the normal B&O color scheme used gold as the striping and lettering color between the blue, gray and black....the Cincinatian used silver for the striping and lettering.

[mmi16]

The rakish noses of the original series of EA passenger diesels have always set them apart form all the other diesels that followed.

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo54.jpg

[dascrab]

I too love the Cincinattian pacifics as well as the EA and E6s. I prefer the look of the E units as delivered with the passenger pilots though. My favorite freight engines are the EM1 and GP 30. The first engine I ever remember seeing was a B&O GP30 when I was 5 or 6. I remember this huge, hulking, black (I thought) monster and fell in love! Funny, But I never saw one again until I was an adult. I saw an N scale arnold version at a train show and recognized it immediately. I now have 4 of them done up in B&O. RICK

[BnO_Hendo]

If I remember right, the Emerson was less than successful. I think it was a maintenance nightmare compared to other locos. Still, I think it was highly touted during the 1927 "Fair of the Iron Horse".

There's like two Camels left in existence- the Camel #217, and I believe the #163 in a transportation museum in Illinois (?). It's amazing that any survived!

[ November 04, 2005, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: BnO_Hendo ]

[chessie]

Originally posted by dascrab:
I too love the Cincinattian pacifics as well as the EA and E6s. I prefer the look of the E units as delivered with the passenger pilots though. My favorite freight engines are the EM1 and GP 30. The first engine I ever remember seeing was a B&O GP30 when I was 5 or 6. I remember this huge, hulking, black (I thought) monster and fell in love! Funny, But I never saw one again until I was an adult. I saw an N scale arnold version at a train show and recognized it immediately. I now have 4 of them done up in B&O. RICK Welcome to TrainBoard, Rick!

I too love the B&O GP30's, especially in the Sunburst scheme...

Harold