HIGH SPEED BULLDOGS!

[Maxwell Plant]

Anyone have any pictures of our Favorite Railway's E-8-M's they can share with me and that I can share with others? smile.gif There are some Frisco-Heads that need to see what a REAL High Power Bulldog looks like! tongue.gif

[friscobob]

Why does "Who Let The Dogs Out?!?" run thru my head when I read this post? :D :D :D

Your worst nightmare- a Frisco Fanatic with insomnia! AHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA...... :D :D

Seriously, I'd rather see 'em BEFORE the rebuild......

( just messing with ya, Brent ;) - lessee the pics)

[Dwightman]

Here ya go Brent.
http://abpr.railfan.net/march99/03-28-99/atxsf80.jpg
http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/july99/07-27-99/atxsf84-1billweibel.jpg
http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/july99/07-27-99/atxsf84-2billweibel.jpg http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/july99/07-27-99/atxsf83billweibel.jpg

And for Bob.
http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/january01/01-01-01/4SantaFe.jpg

Wish I could have found a decent color photo.

Dwight

[ 21 April 2001: Message edited by: Dwightman ]

[JCater]

Those are really some classic shots Dwight. Thanks for posting them!! Happy Modeling!!
John

[geoangel]

Great pics Dwight. You say those first pics.
are rebuilds? Forgive my lack of knowledge.
I always thought that "E" units had the angled down nose. Were rebuilds refitted with
"F" unit noses? Or what?

[DaveCN5710]

Some huge headlights on those BIG DOGS :D

I love it :cool:

[friscobob]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dwightman:
Here ya go Brent.
http://abpr.railfan.net/march99/03-28-99/atxsf80.jpg
http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/july99/07-27-99/atxsf84-1billweibel.jpg
http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/july99/07-27-99/atxsf84-2billweibel.jpg http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/july99/07-27-99/atxsf83billweibel.jpg

And for Bob.
http://www.railfan.net/railpix/ABPR/january01/01-01-01/4SantaFe.jpg

Wish I could have found a decent color photo.

Dwight

[ 21 April 2001: Message edited by: Dwightman ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice shots, Dwight! What was the original model designation of the 4-spot? Or was that an EA?

[friscobob]

Oops, never mind- on page EMD-119 of the Second Diesel Spotters Guide, it's listed as
an E1A, later rebuilt to an E8M in 1952 or so.
Still, my idea of a passenger unit in Santa Fe colors is a brace of F3s on the head of the Super Chief.

[Dwightman]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geoangel:
Great pics Dwight. You say those first pics.
are rebuilds? Forgive my lack of knowledge.
I always thought that "E" units had the angled down nose. Were rebuilds refitted with
"F" unit noses? Or what?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

George,

In 1952-3, the Santa Fe sent the 1- and 2-class locos back to EMD to be "rebuilt." What the Santa Fe got back was brand new E8's that used the main generators and trucks from the original locos (except 83A and 84A; these were "rebuilt" from the 1-class and received new trucks). It wasn't just the "rebuilds" that got the bulldog nose. All post-war E units had them (E7, E8, E9).

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by friscobob:
Still, my idea of a passenger unit in Santa Fe colors is a brace of F3s on the head of the Super Chief.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Either that or a set of PA's.

Dwight

[Maxwell Plant]

OH BABY! Now, THAT'S what I call Grace, Speed and Power! Thank's for the great links! Now, you say you Frisco Boys want to RACE? I Doubt your "Race Horses" were geared for 110+MPH, EVERY Santa Fe Passenger Locomotive was! :D Giddy-Up GO, Daddy! Giddy-Up GO! smile.gif

[geoangel]

Thanks Dwightman for answering the question
and satisfying my curiousity.

[friscobob]

Digging through my RR stuff, I found an old newsletter put out by the folks that operate the Age of Steam Museum in Dallas, TX. On the cover is an E8M in front of the Frisco-Santa Fe depot in Paris, TX. On this occasion, it was used as power for the Paris
local pass. train between Dallas & Paris. The locomotive was pulled off another Santa Fe train in Dallas, run up this part of the old GC&SF, and ran back to Dallas for another trip back north on the main.
Not exactly high-speed running ;) , but a good use of motive power demoted to secondary trains. Beats looking at a zebrastriped Geep on the point....

[Dwightman]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by friscobob:
Digging through my RR stuff, I found an old newsletter put out by the folks that operate the Age of Steam Museum in Dallas, TX. On the cover is an E8M in front of the Frisco-Santa Fe depot in Paris, TX.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What number? Does it give the date?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>On this occasion, it was used as power for the local pass. train between Dallas & Paris. The locomotive was pulled off another Santa Fe train in Dallas, run up this part of the old GC&SF, and ran back to Dallas for another trip back north on the main.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be No. 111, the "Texas Express," and No. 112, the "Chicago Express." There was just enough time at Dallas to do this. I wonder if this was a regular occurance? I doubt it.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Not exactly high-speed running ;) , but a good use of motive power demoted to secondary trains.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Neither were 111/112 between Dallas and OKC. They were all stop locals that carried mostly mail and express.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Beats looking at a zebrastriped Geep on the point....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know. I think a branchline passenger train loses some of its charm if it's not pulled by a Geep or doodlebug.

Dwight

[ 03 May 2001: Message edited by: Dwightman ]

[fitz]

I know what the black one is. What model is the red and silver one? Railfair 99. http://www.pioneer.net/~fitzrr/santfe.jpg

[Dwightman]

fitz,

That is F7A 347C. It was delivered in September 1949 as 39C, the trailing cab unit of a 4 unit set. It was renumbered 306C in 1971, and finally to 347C in 1973. It was donated to the California State Railroad Museum in the late '80's and underwent a cosmetic restoration.

Ahem.. And now to correct myself. According to Santa Fe's Early Diesel Daze, the power off of 111/112 was the regular power for the Dallas-Paris passenger train. So seeing E units in Paris was not at all unusual. In fact, seeing anything besides E units on this train would be unusual.

Dwight