Warbonnet Scheme

[Alan]

Did you know that the famous Santa Fe Warbonnet scheme was designed by a Chicago designer by the name of Leland Knickerbocker, in about 1936.

Pity it is being discontinued after all that time, as one of the most famous paint schemes on a North American Railroad.

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Alan

The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale!

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[Alan]

Just got a notification that this topic has been moved. I had forgotten I posted it in the first place! smile.gif

[William Cowie]

This didn't include the big Santa Fe letters along the side, right? Just the color scheme and the line dividing the color...

[Alan]

Not sure William. I assumed it was the red and silver covered wagon scheme which we know so well. Later of course the warbonnet scheme took over on the blue and yellow units. I did not like the earlier blue scheme with just straight yellow lines.

[Martyn Read]

The early WB scheme units didn't have big lettering. I *think* the earliest units with big lettering on red & silver were the U28CG's, which had big red letters but (uniquely?) no dividing stripes between the colours, (the FP45's and U30CG's from the same era had dividing stripes and small black Santa Fe lettering.

I always thought the blue pinstripe was really smart.... :rolleyes: smile.gif

[Stourbridge Lion]

Thought the SF Railfans might enjoy images of #59, #60, #62, and/or #54 (a.k.a. #66)

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/memorabilia_postcards_diesel/Darren-E-Hadley/Santa_Fe_59_and_60.jpg

These four engines later became D&H #16, #17, #18, and #19

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/memorabilia_postcards_diesel/Darren-E-Hadley/The_Laurentian.jpg

Sold again in 1978 and went south to Mexico

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_PA/Philip-Wormald/17-01.jpg

In 2000 D&H #16 and #18 Retrun to the US to be restored Doyle McCormack

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_PA/Darren-E-Hadley/18-01.jpg

and today D&H #18 (a.k.a. SF #62) is now NKP #190

http://www.nkp190.com/sheetmetal2.jpg

D&H #16 (a.k.a. SF #59) is scheduled to regain her SF colors once again and be put on display

I am in the process of dedicating an entire section to these engines within the DHVM under the History section. There are several images of all four (4) them in D&H colors within the "Railraod Section" :D

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_PA/UNKNOWN/All-4.jpg

-- Enjoy!

[chessie]

That's a great history lesson!

Thanks,
Harold

[Martyn Read]

Yeah, they all look great!

( I'd Better not mention wether I think they looked nicer in blue or red! ;) :D )

[signalguy]

I have made a couple of trips on the D&H PAs between Albany, NY and Rouses Point, NY while checking signals and pole line conditions as an FRA inspector. They were nice riding compared to many diesels. I can't remember the number but one was named the M A Davis in honor of Marvin Davis, the Chief Road Foreman. It is a very senic ride, especially along Lake Champlain.

[Stourbridge Lion]

That would be D&H #16 {M. A. Davis - Chief Road Foreman}

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_PA/Darren-E-Hadley/16-04.jpg

and D&H #18 was listed also as {G. W. Hockaday - Chiel Mechanical Engineer}

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_PA/Darren-E-Hadley/18-04.jpg

While in Mexico they continue to display this; but, with the resoration these will be painted over and lost to historical photographs only. :(

[chessie]

The Warbonnet lives on!!!! Looky here:
http://www.railimages.com/albums/haroldhodnett/aah.sized.jpg

Harold

[ 19. February 2004, 01:40: Message edited by: chessie ]

[fitz]

Darren, that was a great series. I know you love the D&H, but that PA in warbonnet paint was the finest looking diesel ever (IMHO). Is Doyle contracted to restore the other PA to ATSF paint? I thought I read that somewhere. You couldn't ask for a better restorer. :D

[William Cowie]

Harold,

For what it's worth, I saw two Santa Fe Dash 9 warbonnets roll through Tehachapi this past weekend, with no BNSF markings on them.

http://www.railimages.com/albums/williamcowie/afc.sized.jpg

[BALOU LINE]

I've always respected D & H for their adaptation of the bonnet, clever and cost effective.
But those dash 9s... sweetness!

[Stourbridge Lion]

Is Doyle contracted to restore the other PA to ATSF paint? I thought I read that somewhere. You couldn't ask for a better restorer.I don't know if he is actually under contract or not; but, D&H #16 I understand will be redone back to the SF paint it once had as nonfunctional Smithsonian piece.

D&H #16 has had a much harder life down south:
http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_PA/UNKNOWN/16-08.jpg

and is in much worse condition
http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_PA/Darren-E-Hadley/16-05.jpg

If people have some earlier SF photographs of these four PA's I like to obtain images for the web site.

[Martyn Read]

Harold, I'm impressed you found one with a matching air conditioner, all the ones I've seen have had orange boxes on the side! :(

[chessie]

Originally posted by Martyn Read:
Harold, I'm impressed you found one with a matching air conditioner, all the ones I've seen have had orange boxes on the side! :( Yeah, I usually see CSX GE units painted CR blue....

Harold

[friscobob]

I read the article in Trains on Doyle McCormack and his (very big) toys, and from what I read, he is not contracted to repaint the 16 into Santa Fe colors. He has taken some heat from certain individuals in the railfan community for repainting the other PA into Nickle Plate colors, but the way I see it, it's his, he's painting it in an authentic color, and if anybody wants a Santa Fe PA, the 16 is available- go to it. That also seems to be Doyle's opinion as well.

And even though I'm not a NKP fan, I'd like to see a NKP FA running.

Those warbonnet pics are superb! I've seen some of the Santa Fe "Fleet" freight diesels whose paint job got ratty with use- the red flaked off, and the silver got grungy. Not quite like the Santa Fe I was used to. And it is a sight better than the Heritage II paint BNSF seems to favor.

[YoHo]

Last I saw #16 was sitting in the UP/P&W Albany Yard open to the elements and slowly getting in worse condition. I have some shots of the Brooklyn Roundhouse with some of the restorations around it. Sadly, the only Warbonnets to be be seen are across the river (either) and typically have BNSF on the side.

[r_i_straw]

Originally posted by Martyn Read:
Harold, I'm impressed you found one with a matching air conditioner, all the ones I've seen have had orange boxes on the side! :( Once upon a time there was no such thing as an orange airconditioner or a patched number. They were just all shiny and new smile.gif
http://www.railimages.com/albums/russellstraw/aiw.sized.jpg

[OC Engineer JD]

Just the way they should be Russell! :D