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ChrisDante
June 22nd, 2000, 03:51 PM
NEC HIGH SPEED RAIL BACK ON HOLD - ACELA TEST RUNS HALTED


In an article by the Washington Post, Amtrak officials are quoted as
saying that the new Acela service will not start up until "at least
mid-August." According to the Post, "cracked or missing bolts were
found in several wheel sets during test runs over the weekend." The
Post story was dated June 20.

Meanwhile, in a follow up story, the Boston Globe confirmed the Post
report--safety inspectors have discovered that bolts had broken off
the undercarriages of at least two locomotives. According to the
Globe, "The bolts are used to mount the gear case of the train's
traction motor, which turns a locomotive's wheels. The problem
occurred under stress when the locomotives logged up to 40,000 miles
of testing...Upon further inspection, several more broken bolts were
found in other locomotives."

The Post story by transportation journalist Don Phillips quotes
Richard Sarles, Amtrak's vice president for Northeast corridor
high-speed rail, saying that "Amtrak, the Federal Railroad
Administration and the Canadian-French consortium building the
150-mph trains agreed that it would be best to halt the high-speed
tests until engineers could determine what is going wrong."

Just days earlier the Boston Globe reported, in an interview with
Amtrak spokesman Rick Remington, that "there are three Acela test
trains out on the tracks now. A fourth one went back to the
Bombardier factory to be broken down for a complete evaluation."

Asked when the new high speed trains would be in service, "We're
still looking at late July," Remington told the Globe.

This is the second setback for Amtrak's NEC high speed rail trains. Last fall
Amtrak inspectors discovered wear and tear on the wheelsets when trains rounded
curves at high speeds.

The broken bolt and wheel wear problems are not connected.

The high-speed electric trains that will go 150 miles per hour will come in
complete sets, with six cars in the middle and a locomotive at each end.
There will be 20 in all. The cost for a one-way trip between Boston and New
York will be $130, $70 or so less than the air shuttle.

Nevertheless, ridership is reportedly up on the new Acela Regional service.

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AMTRAK SUSPENDS HIGH SPEED TESTING -- Following the discovery of the
broken bolts on Acela wheel sets ( see story above ) Amtrak's
Northeast Corridor President Stan Bagley sent out the following
Employee Advisory notifying of the suspension of testing:

Dear NEC Co-worker:

You may have heard or read in the papers this week that Amtrak has
temporarily suspended the testing of our new Acela high-speed
trainsets and high-horsepower locomotives.

During the testing of one of the trainsets, a technical issue was
discovered involving one of the bolted connections of the gear box to
the truck of the power car. An inspection revealed that the same
bolt issue was present on a couple of other power cars and
high-horsepower locomotives.

We found that the vertical bolt that clamps the gear box to the seat
in the frame of the truck was broken or missing at one point of
attachment. In a few other locations on the power cars and
locomotives, the bolts were found to be loose.

We think the solution will be to lengthen the bolt to extend it down
through the frame, where it can be secured with a nut and lockwasher.
But we will take the next couple of days to consider the options.

While a short suspension in testing might be frustrating to some,
let's remember that the purpose of the testing phase is to uncover
these kinds of issues so we can identify remedies well before the
trainsets go into service.
We've lost a couple of weeks in our testing schedule, but as we've
said from the beginning, Amtrak is committed to providing safe,
comfortable, and enjoyable service for our guests and crew. We will
begin high-speed service when we are confident we can provide just
that.

Amtrak and the FRA are currently in conversation about resuming
testing once we have a fix at lower speeds, with the higher speed
tests to follow. Be assured that we have our best people working on
this and have dedicated the resources to address this issue. We will
continue to keep you up to date with all significant developments
ahead.

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Alan
June 22nd, 2000, 10:16 PM
Pity about the delays, it's about time America got into high speed rail to challenge the Airlines.

How on earth was the name Acela chosen? What does it mean, and how is it pronounced? Surely a much better name could have been found http://www.trainboard.com/frown.gif

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reggierail
June 23rd, 2000, 02:35 AM
Amtrak had many trains such as the ICE train from Germany tested on our system. Why didn't Amtrak choose one of those proven technologies rather than the mess they're in now??

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BC Rail King
June 23rd, 2000, 03:59 AM
I know some people are gonna take this wrong, but from there past, you can tell the reason why they didn't get a proven technology is becuase they are very arrogent at some times. There may have been something in there head saying they would create jobs, although now that I think about it, the cars are being made in Canada! Did some one think on Amtraks part that they should have a shake down time? I mean, the cars I doin alot worse than most would think, but still-the progect would not be as late as it currently was. Also- wasn't this stuff tested before it went into production?!? You think that they would be able to fore see some of this stuff before it happened! Did they even talk to Europeans?!?

Sheesh!

Happy Railroading!!

Dane N.

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Alan
June 23rd, 2000, 08:35 AM
Dane is right. High speed trains have been running in Europe (and Japan) for a long time, and it seems strange that such elementary problems such as those described could occur.

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Alan

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poohdawg10
June 24th, 2000, 01:20 AM
You can find more about the Acela at www.acela.com, (http://www.acela.com) including the pronounciation of "Acela." I didn't want to copy it here because people these days are obsessed with copyrights

Nick

[This message has been edited by poohdawg10 (edited 23 June 2000).]

BC Rail King
June 24th, 2000, 01:38 AM
I was having a good discussion with some on on AIM about the Acela, and here were the cases presented.

-It is a copied design with elementry parts changed
-So they messed up the elemtary parts?
-No
-They must have, the track in France is not that dramicatlly different than here

Something good brought up is that is there was double the amount of testing, almost none of these problems would be here.

North Americans really need to get these problems ironed out. Although, our LART isn't bad!

Happy Railroading!!

Dane N.

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E-8
June 24th, 2000, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alan:
how is it pronounced?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There you have it folks! A landmark event occurred right here on TrainBoard.com! It has never happened before - a Brit asking an American how to pronounce something!

I'm more than glad to answer: It's "uh-sell-uh"

If I can help the over-the-pond folks with more language help, don;t hesitate to call! http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/063.gif



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Gats
June 24th, 2000, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by E-8:
There you have it folks! A landmark event occurred right here on TrainBoard.com! It has never happened before - a Brit asking an American how to pronounce something!

If I can help the over-the-pond folks with more language help, don;t hesitate to call! http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/063.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooooooh, MEOW! http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

At least Alan didn't ask for spelling.... hehe (that'll get back!).

For learning how to build a high-speed railroad, go talk to the Europeans. They have been doing it for years.
The track can be dramatically different. Do we have any civil engineering types onboard?

Gary.


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N to the Nth degree!

BC Rail King
June 25th, 2000, 03:33 AM
This will take along time to reply too, but would some one run down the many many problems that Acela is having?? I know that there was a wheel wear problem, and the hole bolts falling out of the truck thing goin on too http://www.trainboard.com/rolleyes.gif

Happy Railroading!!

Dane N.

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reggierail
June 25th, 2000, 04:24 AM
The whole project is a problem. Starting with the advertising going on now for months with no train to ride. It looks like the ad campaign backfired. Still don't understand why we ran those demonstration runs with proven high speed technology. Reggie

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Alan
June 25th, 2000, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by E-8:
There you have it folks! A landmark event occurred right here on TrainBoard.com! It has never happened before - a Brit asking an American how to pronounce something!

I'm more than glad to answer: It's "uh-sell-uh"

If I can help the over-the-pond folks with more language help, don;t hesitate to call! http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/063.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif Charlie, I had to ask, as Americans cannot manage to get the English language spelled correctly, so goodness knows how you pronounce something http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

I still think Acela is a silly name, no matter how it is pronounced http://www.trainboard.com/frown.gif



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Alan

The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale!

www.ac-models.com (http://www.ac-models.com)
Andersley Western Railroad (http://Andersley.homestead.com)
Alan's American Gallery (http://galleryusarail_tehcaj.homestead.com)
Alan's European Gallery (http://eurogallery.homestead.com)
Alan's British Steam Gallery (http://britishsteamgallery.homestead.com)

BC Rail King
June 26th, 2000, 09:34 PM
Well, after a recent study on how well people in Canada, the UK, US, France and alot of other countries countries were educated now, I thought of a few names that would be approiraite.

Canada

Fast moving train that uses rails and a motor to propell its self forward

US

A fast train

UK

Fast moving peice of metal that has a bogie and a diafram. These trains run in the United Stes of America in the North Eastern part of the country. They use rails to be held up. Are trains are better

France

une train

Aussie land

Same as England

Dane

Danes' Trains


Happy Railroading!!

Dane N.


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Alan
June 26th, 2000, 11:20 PM
http://www.trainboard.com/confused.gif Dane, sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about http://www.trainboard.com/confused.gif

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Alan

The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale!

www.ac-models.com (http://www.ac-models.com)
Andersley Western Railroad (http://Andersley.homestead.com)
Alan's American Gallery (http://galleryusarail_tehcaj.homestead.com)
Alan's European Gallery (http://eurogallery.homestead.com)
Alan's British Steam Gallery (http://britishsteamgallery.homestead.com)

reggierail
June 27th, 2000, 03:04 PM
What we should be talking about is Acela & why it's not up & running. If Amtrak doesn't do something soon they're not gonna be able to dig their way out of the hole they're digging Reggie

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F40PH
June 28th, 2000, 06:26 AM
I think a quote from the Simpsons is appropriate here: "Dig up, stupid"
http://www.trainboard.com/cool.gif http://www.trainboard.com/rolleyes.gif http://www.trainboard.com/cool.gif http://www.trainboard.com/rolleyes.gif


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ChrisDante
June 28th, 2000, 01:33 PM
Dane, you asked what some of the other problems Acela is having.

One that I know of that has not been publicized is that the cars are 8" too wide for some platforms. After everything was built, the powers that be thought to run the trainsets minus head end power up through New England, low and behold there will be a number of cities that will be minus Acela regional service untill they can cut a wider space between platforms. That is fixable as the sevice will not be running up there for a few more years. Its just another example of "systemic idiocy" a common malady of corporate America.

Also the stretch between New Haven and NYC will be limited to 79mph. That section of track is owned by the MTA(Metropolitan Transit Authority). MTA has decided for safety reasons that this is max speed. After speaking with a number of hoggers, they've remarked that that rule was put in years ago with other equipment and no one wants to stand up and put their A-- on the line. So much for high speed rail.

Another glitch is the tilt mechanism is turned off through much of Connecticut because the radius of the curves are too sharp and the trains are not moving fast enough to benefit from the technology.

Did you hear that the two companies that built the cantenary from New Haven eastward have been raided by the FBI. Seems there's some queston about cost overruns and a whiff of fraud. Now to Amtrak's credit they've been questioning these overruns for some time and there's no indication of shoddy workmanship.

That's all I've learned so far.


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